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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #330 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:37am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 10:09pm:

Abu, what is the difference between apostasy and rejecting faith? What is the difference between slaying and killing?

I don't know, but that passage certainly doesn't say one will lead to the other.

But it is a reference to apostasy isn't it?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #331 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 10:04am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:59am:

Abu,
Can you read?
It's even highlighted for you.

I can, and beyond that I have powers of comprehension... do you?

Abu,
Try to be a little more honest.

You are deliberately pretending not to see something to try & win an argument.

The penalty for Apostasy is death -
you know it -
I know it -
every Iranian knows it,
every person in Afghanistan knows it -

You just pretend that it isn't true because you don't want to admit
that you follow a violent barbaric religion from the 14th century.

Bump to Abu. (otherwise he'll say he didn't see it )

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Reply #332 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm

I copied your statement word for word. Go and check.The fact of the matter is kafir is the same word as heathen and is derogatory. You also supported the Taliban in this instance. The Pakistan Army are fighting muslim extremism because of a major terrorist related death toll upon it's civilians. You couldn't get past these facts because the Pakistan Army is in cooperation with the American Army. Using the word kafir and supporting the Taliban won't help build bridges with the australian people . Seeing is how our country is fighting the Taliban. Also the only thing that keeps aussie muslim going is the fact that ASIO monitors it for info. You'd be on their books. Falah would be their poster boy.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #333 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

Abu,
Try to be a little more honest.

I've been nothing but honest.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

You are deliberately pretending not to see something to try & win an argument.

Nope, it's well known the punishment for apostasy is not found in the Qur'an, only in Hadith. Sometime already told you this about 10 posts ago, you're not interested in facts though.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

The penalty for Apostasy is death

Never said it wasn't.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #334 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:29pm

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:37am:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 10:09pm:

Abu, what is the difference between apostasy and rejecting faith? What is the difference between slaying and killing?

I don't know, but that passage certainly doesn't say one will lead to the other.

But it is a reference to apostasy isn't it?

Doesn't look like it to me. Keep in mind that over the years fd, I've seen you have some really weird comprehension of things... so doesn't surprise me you'd read whatever you want out of whatever you want. When it comes to Islam, reason seems to be suspended for you, and you start hallucinating I think.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #335 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:51pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

Abu,
Try to be a little more honest.

I've been nothing but honest.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

You are deliberately pretending not to see something to try & win an argument.

Nope, it's well known the punishment for apostasy is not found in the Qur'an, only in Hadith. Sometime already told you this about 10 posts ago, you're not interested in facts though.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

The penalty for Apostasy is death

Never said it wasn't.

Abu - can you read?

Here it is again:

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The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #336 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 6:15am

Hypocrisy

Jesus himself:
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If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. - John 15:6

Death to Followers of Other Religions

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Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

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They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

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Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

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1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

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2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #337 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 9:18am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Abu - can you read?

Yes, as I said, I can also comprehend, clearly you cannot.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Here it is again:

No it's not. "slay them" says nothing about apostasy, neither does the other part of you were formerly highlighting.

If it states that apostates should be slain, surely you could just highlight the parts that supposedly say this, clearly you cannot.

For 9:11-12, you've highlighted the verse number, because you know full well there's nothing in the text supporting your claim.

And as for the 3rd. part, where's the text? Merely highlighting references, again, means nothing.

Either you're trying to be less than honest here (something you've falsely accused me of), or you've just got no idea how to highlight a statement. I don't know which one is more troubling.

Now if you can bring a verse of the Qur'an that states apostates should be killed, please do, otherwise just admit you don't know what you're talking about, and that you spoke out of turn without knowledge.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #338 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 9:29am

Big Dave wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

I copied your statement word for word. Go and check.

No you didn't.

My Statement:
"So why talk about a cycle when you are given news that the defenders of the Ummah managed to execute several of the murtad kafir-allied terrorists?"

Your post:
"So why talk about a cycle when you are given news that the defenders of the ummah managed to execute several of the murtad kufir- aliied armies terrorists."

Clearly not the same text.

Not surprised that the ability to cut/paste does elude some of the more 'challenged' forummers here.

Big Dave wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

The fact of the matter is kafir is the same word as heathen

No it is not. Do you even know what heathen means?

The closest English translation would be somewhere between denier of truth / disbeliever.

Big Dave wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

and is derogatory.

As I said, only in so far as the one who denies the truth debases his own soul through his rejection of his maker.

Big Dave wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

You also supported the Taliban in this instance.

Whatever floats your boat.

Big Dave wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

The Pakistan Army are fighting muslim extremism because of a major terrorist related death toll upon it's civilians. You couldn't get past these facts because the Pakistan Army is in cooperation with the American Army.

The Pakistan army does whatever it's told by its masters.

Big Dave wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Using the word kafir and supporting the Taliban won't help build bridges with the australian people . Seeing is how our country is fighting the Taliban.

I merely pointed out the political reality there. Would you prefer I piss in your pocket to keep you warm?

Big Dave wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Also the only thing that keeps aussie muslim going is the fact that ASIO monitors it for info. You'd be on their books. Falah would be their poster boy.

If they bothered monitoring the site, they'd be wasting some pretty valuable resources I'd think. And again if they've got a book on me, then they're wasting a book they could have on someone who they really should be monitoring.

Whatever makes you feel happy though.

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Reply #339 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 5:18pm

The fact of the matter abu is that the people aussie muslim are reaching out to are some pretty disaffectected people. They don't know where the fit in and many are struggling economically and financially in our society. All the kafir talk and the other rubbish I read on aussie muslim is going to get a bomb set off. You as a member have a responsibility to set a good example. You know what kafir means.

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Reply #340 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 6:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 9:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Abu - can you read?

Yes, as I said, I can also comprehend, clearly you cannot.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Here it is again:

No it's not. "slay them" says nothing about apostasy, neither does the other part of you were formerly highlighting.

If it states that apostates should be slain, surely you could just highlight the parts that supposedly say this, clearly you cannot.

For 9:11-12, you've highlighted the verse number, because you know full well there's nothing in the text supporting your claim.

And as for the 3rd. part, where's the text? Merely highlighting references, again, means nothing.

Either you're trying to be less than honest here (something you've falsely accused me of), or you've just got no idea how to highlight a statement. I don't know which one is more troubling.

Now if you can bring a verse of the Qur'an that states apostates should be killed, please do, otherwise just admit you don't know what you're talking about, and that you spoke out of turn without knowledge.

Look it up & tell me - Mr expert Abu.

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Reply #341 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 6:17pm

Big Dave wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 5:18pm:

The fact of the matter abu is that the people aussie muslim are reaching out to are some pretty disaffectected people. They don't know where the fit in and many are struggling economically and financially in our society. All the kafir talk and the other rubbish I read on aussie muslim is going to get a bomb set off. You as a member have a responsibility to set a good example. You know what kafir means.

Aussie Muslims is just a forum for Australian Muslims to communicate. It does not "reach out" to anyone. Any kind of discussion which promotes or instigates violence is forbidden there, and anyone encouraging such talk would be warned and/or banned.

You are an extremist nutcase, with an apparent deep hatred for Muslims, and the only one here who I'd be worried would commit violence in our society is someone like you, with your "breivik-style" hatred and agenda regarding Muslims.

Yes I do know what kafir means, you obviously do not.

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Reply #344 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 7:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 6:00pm:

Look it up & tell me - Mr expert Abu.

Now you've got the gall to ask me to do your legwork for you?

Just admit you're a very poorly educated buffoon, apologise, and move on.

Abu,
I highlighted it for you but obviously you don't comprehend english.

Just admit that you're wrong & we can all have a cup of tea.

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