Australian Politics Forum - does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?

abu_rashid

Gold Member

Offline

Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #360 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:35am

Big Dave wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

I believe that religon plays a bigger part in political ruling in muslim countries than it does the west. I believe that all western countries have religon as secondary to decision making. If it doesn't make sense and is airy fairy religous crud then it doesn't feature on the ground. Name on airy fairy religous crud ruling in the west that's in the public sphere and I'll roll naked down George St Sydney with a firecracker in my ass. On the other hand try to kiss your girlfriend on the lips in a public space in an islamic country. You'd end up in a jail cell trying to bribe your way to freedom. You sure do talk through your butt abu.

"bigger part" is a relative term. Islam is a specific ideology that has a specific ruling system, claiming some vague Islamic influence plays a "bigger part" in ruling doesn't really mean much.

Both North Korea & Congo claim in their names to be Democratic republics, and I'm sure that in one of them democracy plays a "bigger part", doesn't mean either is a bona fide representation of the democratic ideology.

A state either implements the Caliphate system or it doesn't, there's no bigger or smaller part.

Back to top

IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106867 Melbourne Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #361 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:14am Does Abu want to live in Australia under Islamic law where women are stoned to death for apostasy & adultery? The answer appears to be yes. I agree that murderers should be hanged but people shouldn't ever be stoned to death for religious reasons.
Back to top	IP Logged

Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #362 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:08pm abu_rashid wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:35am: A state either implements the Caliphate system or it doesn't, there's no bigger or smaller part.
Back to top	IP Logged

abu_rashid

Gold Member

Offline

Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #363 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:14am:

I agree that murderers should be hanged but people
shouldn't ever be stoned to death for religious reasons.

ܸCapital punishment for murder in Western law comes from the same place capital punishment for adultery does, the Old Testament. How is one more religious than the other when they both share the same source? On what basis do you pick and choose them? Other than your own whims?

Back to top

IP Logged

Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #364 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:51pm Or stone to death young rape victims?
Back to top	IP Logged

abu_rashid

Gold Member

Offline

Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #365 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:06pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

Or stone to death young rape victims?

Yes that is in the Tanakh too, but only if it occurs within the city limits. If it occurs outside the city limits, then the rapist only has to marry the raped girl, pay her father a few sheqels, and must never divorce her.

Back to top

IP Logged

Quantum

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3373

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #366 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:28pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

Or stone to death young rape victims?

Yes that is in the Tanakh too, but only if it occurs within the city limits. If it occurs outside the city limits, then the rapist only has to marry the raped girl, pay her father a few sheqels, and must never divorce her.

It would be more humane to stone her...

Back to top

IP Logged

Avram Horowitz

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3153
Australia
Gender: male

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #367 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:33pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

Or stone to death young rape victims?

Yes that is in the Tanakh too, but only if it occurs within the city limits. If it occurs outside the city limits, then the rapist only has to marry the raped girl, pay her father a few sheqels, and must never divorce her.

It is real life for your inhuman religion though.
A Islamic Court sentenced a young girl to be stoned only 2 years ago.
You support this?

Animals!

Back to top

IP Logged

abu_rashid

Gold Member

Offline

Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #368 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:31am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:33pm:

It is real life for your inhuman religion though.
A Islamic Court sentenced a young girl to be stoned only 2 years ago.
You support this?

Animals!

This is false, Islam does not prescribe any punishment for a rape victim, it prescribes only punishment for the rapist.

Why do you keep trying to superimpose the teachings of your own book onto our religion?

If a certain country carried out a miscarriage of justice that has nothing to do with what Islamic law states.

Back to top

IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #369 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:22am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:31am:

If a certain country carried out a miscarriage of justice that has nothing to do with what Islamic law states.

Except when that 'certain' country is a Muslim country, like ALL the countries that have stoning and other punishment for the victims of rape. They are all Muslim countries.

But of course, as the so called scholars of Islam tirelessly maintain, Islam has nuffin' do wiv nuffin'.

Back to top

IP Logged

abu_rashid

Gold Member

Offline

Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #370 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:45am

Soren wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

But of course, as the so called scholars of Islam tirelessly maintain, Islam has nuffin' do wiv nuffin'.

Are you claiming no Western country ever carried out a miscarriage of justice when it came to the death penalty? Every single person executed in the U.S for instance, in soren's little fantasy view of the world, was 100% guilty?

Back to top

IP Logged

Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #371 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:48am Stoning to death a 13 year old girl is barbaric. This happened just 2 years ago from sharia law.
Back to top	IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49418
At my desk.

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #372 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:49am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:29pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 9:37am:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 10:09pm:

Abu, what is the difference between apostasy and rejecting faith? What is the difference between slaying and killing?

I don't know, but that passage certainly doesn't say one will lead to the other.

But it is a reference to apostasy isn't it?

Doesn't look like it to me. Keep in mind that over the years fd, I've seen you have some really weird comprehension of things... so doesn't surprise me you'd read whatever you want out of whatever you want. When it comes to Islam, reason seems to be suspended for you, and you start hallucinating I think.

So the bit about rejecting faith has nothing to do with apostasy?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 2:55pm:

It's here

Quote:

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they):

Quote:

3 Muslim countries have had a female PM long before Australia ever got theirs through a party coup (ie. not elected by the people).

And yet if we attempt to link anything else in those countries to Islam Abu would be the first to point out that they are not proper Islamic countries. Women only gained positions of power because of the extent to which those countries reject Abu's version of Islam.

Quote:

The simple fact is most Muslim countries do not base their ideology on Islam whatsoever. They make a few token Islamic gestures to subdue the masses, that's about all. In their day to day rulings, they usually contradict Islam immensely.

Which is why women were able to gain such power. The closer you get to the heart of Islam, the worse it is for women.

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

Sir lastnail

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 30101
Gender: male

Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #373 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:32am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

Or stone to death young rape victims?

Yes I posted this and Abu must have deleted it. Whatever happened to the truth ?

Quote:

Siddqa, a 25-year-old Muslim girl, standing waist-deep in a hole in the ground.
She is entirely hidden in a blue burka. Like rabid dogs, hundreds of evil! cowardly! savage! Muslim men from the village are gathered as two mullahs pass sentence. As Taliban fighters look on, the sentence is passed and she is found guilty of adultery.

The stoning lasts two + minutes. Hundreds of rocks - some larger than a man's fist - are thrown at her head and body. As brave Siddqa struggles for her life, she tries to crawl out of the hole 1:06 but she is beaten back by the stones, then a huge boulder is then thrown at her head 1:20 her burka is soaked in blood, and she collapses inside the hole.

Incredibly Siddqa was still alive at this point. The mullahs are heard saying she should be left alone. But a Taliban fighter steps forward with a rifle and she is shot three times in the head, (This scene was edited out)

Then her lover, Khayyam, is brought to the crowd. His hands are tied behind his back. Before he is blindfolded he looks into the mobile phone camera. He appears defiant.

The stoning attack on him was just as ferocious. His body, lying face down, jerks as the rocks meet their target. He is heard to be crying for mercy! but he is soon to be silent...

The couple had earlier eloped to Pakistan, but were lured back with the false promise that they would not be harmed.

The alleged lovers, who were engaged to be married to other people (Arranged forced marriages) were arrested by the Taliban on the request of their own flesh and blood families after they tried to elope.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:39am by Sir lastnail »

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106867 Melbourne Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #374 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:42am Yes Nail, It looks like Abu deleted your whole post last night including the video. He doesn't want anyone to see the savagery of his Islamic friends.
Back to top	IP Logged