abu_rashid wrote on Aug 8
th, 2012 at 9:34pm:
Yadda, the fact is your holy book demands the death penalty for apostasy. And up until a few centuries ago (ie. for about 80% of the entire history of Christianity) Christians were still implementing it.
The only reason you don't implement it today is because the atheists and secularists ousted you from power in the various revolutions. If not for this, you'd still be implementing it as we speak. The idea that Bible believers stopped doing this when the "New Covenant" was revealed is just bollocks and you well know it (or you've never picked up a history book). They continued doing it for almost 2000 years after the so called New Covenant had arrived. You are the only one here attempting to deceive anyone.
If you think Islam is evil for punishing apostates, then you must admit that you worship an evil god, since according to your book, he clearly prescribed this.
"If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God" (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)
Clear as day there Yadda. Even your own wife or daughter, says you must be the first to stone them to death.
Is that an evil command? Do you worship an evil being? Or do you think "God turned over a new leaf" and was reformed? He was previously an evil god, but he changed his wicked ways? Strange beliefs indeed.
Abu,
You are very mistaken.
Abu,
You said;
"Yadda, the fact is your holy book demands the death penalty for apostasy."
And, .....
YES IT DOES.
BUT, AGAINST WHOM, AND BY WHOM, DID MY GOD PRESCRIBE THIS PUNISHMENT ???
To whom did the penalty in Deuteronomy 13:6-11 apply ???
Was it for the Incas, of South America ?
Was it for the Chinese ?
Was it for the Inuit of North America ?
Was it for the ancient Greeks ?
Was it for the ancient Persians ?
No.
Abu,
Which people are recorded as saying this [below] ??? [....as witness, to embracing a covenant]
"...
And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do...."
Exodus 19:5-8
Abu,
Q.
Why do you quote the terms of an agreement between God, and an ancient people [who God redeemed from Egypt, around 1,400 BC],
BUT THEN,
why do you omit the verses which reveal and confirm the identity of the two 'parties', to whom this agreement applied ?
A.
Because you are a moslem.
And, because it suits your own moslem 'religious narrative', to try to establish that it is legitimate in the 21st century, for Christians to kill apostates, on the basis of Old Testament law, so that moslems can say to the world;
"Look, yes, we moslems can kill people who leave ISLAM, but it is also religiously legitimate for Christians to kill apostates, but they have let that legitimate religious practice slip. But we moslem have not, because we moslems obey God, but the Christians do not."
And tht, is codswallop!
And why are you, falsely, trying to 'project' that this ancient covenant [confirmed between two parties, around 1,400 BC], must apply to people like myself, when clearly i could not have been a party to that ancient covenant ?
p.s.
And, there are probably 10's of thousands of moslem apostates being killed every year, around the world.
It is just that the Western mainstream media do not 'identify' these people as being killed as moslem apostates [killed by other 'rightly guided' moslems].
Those killed are typically, victims of 'honour killings', and are other individuals who may be 'lawfully' killed for their criticism of Jihadi violence, or individuals who are 'lawfully' killed for criticising other aspects of local ISLAMIC 'culture'.
I am sure that 10's of thousands of these moslem apostates that being killed every year, around the world.
e.g.
UK
'Revealed: rising toll of deaths before dishonour'18 Jun 2007
"......A Sunday Telegraph investigation has established that honour killings are increasing rapidly in Britain."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1554764/Revealed-rising-toll-of-deaths-before-dishonour.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-462342/Honour-killing-sister-breaks-silence.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/honour-killings-father-uncle-brother-killer-453432.html
In these 'honour' killing incidents, many of the perpetrators actually claim to be motivated to kill, because this 'good deed' [of killing the 'unbeliever'], is encouraged by ISLAM / Sharia.
And yet why do we 'unbelievers', so willingly discount such candid admissions, when they are made by moslems themselves?
Why?
Because we are a 'sick' ppl, we are a people who have come to hate TRUTH.
Because today, we are a ppl who turn away from the TRUTH, when it confronts us.
'HONOR' KILLING, FOR GOD
"A Muslim father accused of murdering his daughter in a so-called "honor killing"......"
August 6, 2008http://www.nypost.com/seven/08062008/news/nationalnews/honor_killing_for_god_123...Despite the insistent denials [from spokesmen for moslem communities], it is clear, that these [unstoppable!] 'honour' killings [of those who 'insult' ISLAM] are inspired, and motivated, by real ISLAM, and motivated, by real Sharia.
This violence against apostates, is a form of intimidation, of moslems, BY moslems.
And is designed to instil a feeling of terror, and fear of ['respect'!! for] ISLAM, within those moslem communities, that are now ensconced within our own Western communities.
Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220
There is no escape, for those who tolerate ISLAM.
If you allow a moslem community into a non-moslem host country, you will also get, some level of the imposition of Sharia within the moslem community, and a consequential measure of violence and intimidation of that community, which Sharia law 'legitimises'.
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