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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #120 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 8:47pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 8:32pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
Chrislee wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 7:31pm:
Climate change will bring to us.

yes it will!!  Wink Wink



Will bring to us ..WHAT??


I understand that you, (and Chrislee) may not be able to answer this question..

Redistribution of wealth. Perpetual dictatorship.
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #121 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:37pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 8:32pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
Chrislee wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 7:31pm:
Climate change will bring to us.

yes it will!!  Wink Wink



Will bring to us ..WHAT??


I understand that you, (and Chrislee) may not be able to answer this question..

I was being sarcastic: ya gonna sue me mr hardcore??  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #122 - Sep 10th, 2012 at 9:52pm
 
Around climate change. This causes large temperature differences. Yes, you will have to get used, because changes will become bigger.
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Reply #123 - Sep 11th, 2012 at 5:21pm
 
Elayne Taylor wrote on Sep 10th, 2012 at 9:52pm:
Around climate change. This causes large temperature differences. Yes, you will have to get used, because changes will become bigger.

...uNLESS THERE ARE COUNTER FEEDBACK MEACHANISMS AS YET UNACCOUNTED FOR OF COURSE!!   Shocked Shocked Shocked
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #124 - Sep 12th, 2012 at 3:21pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:37pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 8:32pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
Chrislee wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 7:31pm:
Climate change will bring to us.

yes it will!!  Wink Wink



Will bring to us ..WHAT??


I understand that you, (and Chrislee) may not be able to answer this question..

I was being sarcastic: ya gonna sue me mr hardcore??  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Hell no...it's much more fun to watch you make a fool of yourself....
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #125 - Sep 12th, 2012 at 7:18pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 8:47pm:
Redistribution of wealth. Perpetual dictatorship.


LOL. Massive conspiracy! You're starting to sound like it_in_the_light or whatever he/she calls themself, massive LOL's

Here's some reading for you! Grin

http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychSci...

I love it when deniers show the true underlying crazy that drives their worldview, it just really starts to show the fringe real estate you bottom feeders occupy Grin
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #126 - Sep 12th, 2012 at 7:21pm
 
Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 12th, 2012 at 7:18pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 8:47pm:
Redistribution of wealth. Perpetual dictatorship.


LOL. Massive conspiracy! You're starting to sound like it_in_the_light or whatever he/she calls themself, massive LOL's

Here's some reading for you! Grin

http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychSci...

I love it when deniers show the true underlying crazy that drives their worldview, it just really starts to show the fringe real estate you bottom feeders occupy Grin


Gentle, Upton, progs hasn't worked out he's a nutter yet.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #127 - Sep 13th, 2012 at 11:59am
 
Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 12th, 2012 at 7:18pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 8:47pm:
Redistribution of wealth. Perpetual dictatorship.


LOL. Massive conspiracy! You're starting to sound like it_in_the_light or whatever he/she calls themself, massive LOL's

Here's some reading for you! Grin

http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychSci...

I love it when deniers show the true underlying crazy that drives their worldview, it just really starts to show the fringe real estate you bottom feeders occupy Grin

Bit slow to pick it up, but thats to be expected.

Agenda 21 is no conspiracy. AGW will go hand in hand for perpetual dictatorship and redistribution of wealth will be used to sell it.
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #128 - Sep 13th, 2012 at 6:51pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Sep 13th, 2012 at 11:59am:
Agenda 21 is no conspiracy.


No. It's not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

It's a perfectly benign, non-binding commitment within the UN.

Yet you guys get worked up in a hysterical lather claiming that it IS a conspiracy. Why is that do you think?
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Reply #129 - Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:21pm
 
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Climate change is here — and worse than we thought


So they didn't get it right before.

But now - now they've got it right, my wordy me.

They'd thought they'd got it right before, but they didn't. But now, they know they are right this time.  Statistics don't lie this time.
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Reply #130 - Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:32pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:21pm:
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Climate change is here — and worse than we thought


So they didn't get it right before.

But now - now they've got it right, my wordy me.

They'd thought they'd got it right before, but they didn't. But now, they know they are right this time.  Statistics don't lie this time.


LOL  Roll Eyes

If you knew anything about statistics you'd know about probabilities and uncertainty. Climate science has never predicted a precise single outcome, it provides probabilities on outcomes with margins of error. Increasingly it looks as if things are going to happen in the upper limits of projections made over the last few decades and things will happen much faster than we supposed.
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Reply #131 - Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:39pm
 
Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:32pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:21pm:
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Climate change is here — and worse than we thought


So they didn't get it right before.

But now - now they've got it right, my wordy me.

They'd thought they'd got it right before, but they didn't. But now, they know they are right this time.  Statistics don't lie this time.


LOL  Roll Eyes

If you knew anything about statistics you'd know about probabilities and uncertainty. Climate science has never predicted a precise single outcome, it provides probabilities on outcomes with margins of error. Increasingly it looks as if things are going to happen in the upper limits of projections made over the last few decades and things will happen much faster than we supposed.

blah blah blah and hansen says scenario A will be the best outcome (if we actually cut emissions) and we are lower than that. AGW fruit loop tea leaf readers are and always will be wrong.
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #132 - Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:49pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:39pm:
blah blah blah and hansen says scenario A will be the best outcome (if we actually cut emissions) and we are lower than that. AGW fruit loop tea leaf readers are and always will be wrong.


No, you'll always be wrong:

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Reply #133 - Sep 15th, 2012 at 5:10pm
 
MOTR wrote on Sep 12th, 2012 at 7:21pm:
Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 12th, 2012 at 7:18pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 8:47pm:
Redistribution of wealth. Perpetual dictatorship.


LOL. Massive conspiracy! You're starting to sound like it_in_the_light or whatever he/she calls themself, massive LOL's

Here's some reading for you! Grin

http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychSci...

I love it when deniers show the true underlying crazy that drives their worldview, it just really starts to show the fringe real estate you bottom feeders occupy Grin


Gentle, Upton, progs hasn't worked out he's a nutter yet.


I don't think he is. He's like many Australians who don't understand the scientific basis, but who reads the popular press and what's available on the blogosphere, and unfortunately there are plenty of people around who like to mislead the public for whatever agenda. It's incredibly seductive to read that there really isn't a problem and I can totally understand why some people would believe that. That's why we need to avoid labelling people as nutters and just try to explain the science. (I have fallen into the same trap myself, but let's target the source of the disinformation.) 

I don't blame people for believing what they do, and I agree that some of the agendas that seek to redistribute wealth globally are counter productive. That said, we still collectively face a major challenge.

The initiatives taken to date with Solar PV and even the carbon tax, have had a significant effect on reducing carbon emissions within Australlia already. Many coal fired power stations are operating at around 50% capacity.   

I was totally surprised on the huge impact on coal fired generation.  The interesting thing is that the carbon tax should have had about a $23 per Megawatt impact on coal generated electricity. In fact, the cost impact is not evenly distributed. Ironically, the highest impact has been in South Australia, even though they have more gas generation.

In Queensland, which has the highest proportion of coal -fired generation, the increased cost per MW is a bit less than expected. That's because there is currently a higher demand for gas generation (and solar PV etc), and a lower demand for coal-fired electricity. The market price is therefore less that would have been expected. Currently, there is something like 1800MW of Solar PV electricity generated in Australia, which is comparable to a medium-sized power station.  It will be interesting to see what happens in summer with the increased load.
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Reply #134 - Sep 22nd, 2012 at 7:17pm
 
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Climate change has moved into a new and dangerous phase. The Arctic has been warming two to three times faster than the rest of the world. In the past few weeks, melting of the Arctic sea ice has accelerated dramatically, reducing the area and volume to levels never previously experienced. About 80 per cent of the summer sea-ice has been lost since 1979; on current trends the Arctic will be ice-free in summer by 2015 and ice-free all year by 2030 - events that were not expected to occur for another 100 years. More concerning, the Greenland ice sheet this year has had unprecedented melting, adding to a trend that will substantially increase sea levels.

Beyond the Arctic, the world is in the fifth year of a severe food crisis - largely climate change driven - that is about to become far worse as the full impact of extreme drought in the US food bowl works its way through the global food chain, leading to price rises from which Australia will not be immune. Drought around the Mediterranean contributed to this and has played a big part in triggering the Arab Spring. Globally, the escalation of extreme weather continues.

Science is clearly linking these events to climate change, with human carbon emissions as the prime cause.

The polar icecaps are one of the vital regulators of global climate; if the ice disappears, the absorption of more solar radiation accelerates ocean warming, with increasing risk of large-scale release of carbon dioxide and methane from melting permafrost. This may initiate irreversible runaway warming.
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Global energy, food and water security are also poised on a knife edge. These changes are occurring at the 0.8 degrees increase, relative to pre-industrial conditions already experienced, let alone the extra 1.2 degrees that probably will result from our historic emissions.

The "official" target of limiting temperature increase to no more than 2 degrees is way too high. Current policies, such as our Clean Energy Future package, are far worse and would result in a 4 degrees-plus temperature rise. Official panaceas, such as carbon capture and storage, are not working.

Australian leaders glibly talk about adapting to a 4-degree world with little idea of what it means - which is a world of 1 billion people rather than the present 7 billion.

We know how to establish a genuine low-carbon economy, which would stave off the worst impacts of climate change, but it is too late for gradual implementation. It has to be set up at emergency speed.

Yet we hear nothing of this from the political, business or NGO institutions that should be leading the response. Why? Financial incentives are the main culprit, in particular the bonus culture that has spread through Australian business since the early 1990s.

The damage caused by this culture threatens the very foundations of democratic society. Few directors or executives are prepared to give serious attention to long-term issues such as climate change when their rewards are based almost entirely on short-term performance.

Many privately agree that climate change needs far more urgent action, but few are prepared to speak out for fear of derailing "business as usual". This is a fundamental failure of governance - directors have a fiduciary responsibility to objectively assess the critical risks to which their companies are exposed and take action to ensure these risks are adequately managed. But if they acknowledge climate change as a serious risk, they are bound to act, which requires a radical redirection of Australian business away from our addiction to high-carbon coal and gas, our most powerful vested interests losing out in the process. Better, then, to stick to absolute denial, irrespective of the consequences.

This flows through to politicians, non government organisations and the bureaucracy, who are subjected to immense pressure from the corporate sector not to rock the boat. The chorus is picked up with vehemence by a compliant media and shock jocks, the result being politically expedient and contradictory climate policy.

Adversarial politics and corporate myopia are incapable of addressing life-threatening climate change. The community must go around these barriers and demand leaders take urgent action before the poisoned chalice we pass to our grandchildren becomes even more toxic.

Ian Dunlop chaired the Australian Coal Association 1987-1988 and Australian Greenhouse Office Experts Group on Emissions Trading 1998-2000.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/fourdegree-rise-demands-90degre...


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