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Upton Sinclair Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 496	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #15 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:45pm progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:40pm: Why. There is a north and south that are far enough away from each other to see if global warming is global. Well it isnt. Yeah. Safe to say you're doing it wrong.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #16 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:46pm Why is wood through the trees using BEST data when it cant get peer-reviewed. Maybe they should use that cred and start using Anthony Watts data. lol now this is good.
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #17 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

Why. There is a north and south that are far enough away from each other to see if global warming is global. Well it isnt.

Yeah. Safe to say you're doing it wrong.

Yeh the earth is not flat, so the global high temp and co2 stays at the top.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #18 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:53pm Can you explain this, progs.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #19 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:56pm Anyways, wouldn't ice mass be a better proxy than sea ice extent.
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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #20 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

No Significant Trend In Antarctica Ice Sheet Mass Balance 1979-2010

http://thegwpf.org/the-climate-record/5028-new-paper-no-significant-trend-in-ant...

And this
New paper shows Antarctic temperatures haven't increased over past 500 years

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/new-paper-shows-antarctic-temperatur...

Global warming not global.

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Reply #21 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:14pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:25pm:

Don't panic, boys, shale gas is coming.

Even Prez O'Bama says the US has enough to be cookin' with gas for a coupla centuries. China has plenty. We have plenty.
It's clean, cheap(ish) and getting cheaper.

We'll have solar by the time the gas runs out.

Not if the cost of solar falls below the cost of extracting shale gas.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/now-us-says-solar-pv-to-be-cheaper-than-fossil-f...

Even better.

No need to sh!t your pants, boys, that's the main thing.

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Upton Sinclair Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 496	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #22 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:15pm progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:03pm: Global warming not global. Antarctica: not the Globe.
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Reply #23 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:16pm

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:25pm:

Don't panic, boys, shale gas is coming.

Even Prez O'Bama says the US has enough to be cookin' with gas for a coupla centuries. China has plenty. We have plenty.
It's clean, cheap(ish) and getting cheaper.

We'll have solar by the time the gas runs out.

Not if the cost of solar falls below the cost of extracting shale gas.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/now-us-says-solar-pv-to-be-cheaper-than-fossil-f...

Even better.

No need to sh!t your pants, boys, that's the main thing.

Let's not assume a few subsidies won't prolong the death throes.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #24 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:18pm Upton Sinclair wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:15pm: progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:03pm: Global warming not global. Antarctica: not the Globe. either is the warming
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Upton Sinclair Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 496	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #25 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:19pm progressiveslol wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Yeh the earth is not flat, so the global high temp and co2 stays at the top. No but the majority of the planets landmass is at the top, the majority of the ocean is down the bottom.
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Reply #26 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:33pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:25pm:

Don't panic, boys, shale gas is coming.

Even Prez O'Bama says the US has enough to be cookin' with gas for a coupla centuries. China has plenty. We have plenty.
It's clean, cheap(ish) and getting cheaper.

We'll have solar by the time the gas runs out.

Not if the cost of solar falls below the cost of extracting shale gas.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/now-us-says-solar-pv-to-be-cheaper-than-fossil-f...

Even better.

No need to sh!t your pants, boys, that's the main thing.

Let's not assume a few subsidies won't prolong the death throes.

This is why AGW is losing credibility, fast: ridiculous hyperbole. Death throes. How silly.

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Reply #27 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:35pm

Here is the paper on the melt.

http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~kuipe117/docs/KuipersMunneke2011b.pdf

Quote:

This suggests that an increased forcing must have been acting in recent decades, and that this forcing must come from below the ice shelf, in the form of increased basal melt [Shepherd et al., 2003]. A picture emerges in which the ultimate fate of ice shelves is governed by oceanic forcing from below, whereas the timing of their breakup depends on the occurrence of ‘favorable’ atmospheric conditions.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #28 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:25pm:

Don't panic, boys, shale gas is coming.

Even Prez O'Bama says the US has enough to be cookin' with gas for a coupla centuries. China has plenty. We have plenty.
It's clean, cheap(ish) and getting cheaper.

We'll have solar by the time the gas runs out.

Not if the cost of solar falls below the cost of extracting shale gas.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/now-us-says-solar-pv-to-be-cheaper-than-fossil-f...

Even better.

No need to sh!t your pants, boys, that's the main thing.

Let's not assume a few subsidies won't prolong the death throes.

This is why AGW is losing credibility, fast: ridiculous hyperbole. Death throes. How silly.

I was talking about the gas industry. It's a common analogy for industries and indeed governments in decline.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Reply #29 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 4:46pm

The part of Antarctica that has warmed is the Antarctic Penisula (Western Antarctica). In a nutshell, that has resulted in an increase in sea ice as ice slides off the land faster. Eastern Antarctica has not melted, but then if it had, it would be a big surprise because most of it is at a much higher elevation.

I keep having to point this out every now and again as the old denialist arguments are recycled time and time again.

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