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Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought
Reply #150 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 9:22pm

muso wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:54am:

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2012 at 8:35pm:

muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

Well, solar PV is gradually coming down in price. The projections are that it will be on a par with coal fired generation by 2030.

Soren. Tell me what Pie Charts have to do with projections - and you accuse me of poor analogies.

Laffing at 'projections are'. Whose 'projections'? Or is it according to 'sources'?
This stuff is always so far in the future that by then no-one will remember them.

The shine comes off these 'projections' faster than the gold paint off a reject shop watch. What was the 'projection' for the European carbon price, say, 2 years ago? What will it be by 2030? Invest in carbon permits if you want blow your life savings.
Short of chucking it out the window, there is no faster way. But this is not what was projected 2 years ago.

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Reply #151 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:12pm

And not only, but also:

Wind turbines only last for ‘half as long as previously thought’, according to a new study. But even in their short lifespans, those turbines can do a lot of damage. Wind farms are devastating populations of rare birds and bats across the world, driving some to the point of extinction. Most environmentalists just don’t want to know. Because they’re so desperate to believe in renewable energy, they’re in a state of denial. But the evidence suggests that, this century at least, renewables pose a far greater threat to wildlife than climate change.

I’m a lecturer in biological and human sciences at Oxford university. I trained as a zoologist, I’ve worked as an environmental consultant — conducting impact assessments on projects like the Folkestone-to-London rail link — and I now teach ecology and conservation. Though I started out neutral on renewable energy, I’ve since seen the havoc wreaked on wildlife by wind power, hydro power, biofuels and tidal barrages. The environmentalists who support such projects do so for ideological reasons. What few of them have in their heads, though, is the consolation of sciencehttp://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8807761/wind-farms-vs-wildlife/

Uh-oh.....

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Reply #152 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:23pm

Soren wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

And not only, but also:

Wind turbines only last for ‘half as long as previously thought’, according to a new study. But even in their short lifespans, those turbines can do a lot of damage. Wind farms are devastating populations of rare birds and bats across the world, driving some to the point of extinction. Most environmentalists just don’t want to know. Because they’re so desperate to believe in renewable energy, they’re in a state of denial. But the evidence suggests that, this century at least, renewables pose a far greater threat to wildlife than climate change.

I’m a lecturer in biological and human sciences at Oxford university. I trained as a zoologist, I’ve worked as an environmental consultant — conducting impact assessments on projects like the Folkestone-to-London rail link — and I now teach ecology and conservation. Though I started out neutral on renewable energy, I’ve since seen the havoc wreaked on wildlife by wind power, hydro power, biofuels and tidal barrages. The environmentalists who support such projects do so for ideological reasons. What few of them have in their heads, though, is the consolation of sciencehttp://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8807761/wind-farms-vs-wildlife/

Uh-oh.....

The number of birds killed world-wide by wind turbines could be counted on one hand.

Funny how the conservatives who are saying "f-k the world" by attacking renewables, but suddenly care about some fictitous birds the fossil fuel industry has feed them.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #153 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:24pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:23pm: The number of birds killed world-wide by wind turbines could be counted on one hand. You have millions of fingers on your hand?
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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #154 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:42pm ... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:24pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:23pm: The number of birds killed world-wide by wind turbines could be counted on one hand. You have millions of fingers on your hand? This is a timely picture...
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Climate change is here — and worse than we thought Reply #155 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:44pm Ok so 100,000 to 440,000 in the US alone is a bit more than counting on one hand, yes?
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Reply #157 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 10:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

The number of birds killed world-wide by wind turbines could be counted on one hand.

http://universe-review.ca/I10-10-polydactyly.jpg

I'd love to hear this guy play the Flight of the Bumble Bee on piano. fabbo.

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Reply #158 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

And not only, but also:

Wind turbines only last for ‘half as long as previously thought’, according to a new study. But even in their short lifespans, those turbines can do a lot of damage. Wind farms are devastating populations of rare birds and bats across the world, driving some to the point of extinction. Most environmentalists just don’t want to know. Because they’re so desperate to believe in renewable energy, they’re in a state of denial. But the evidence suggests that, this century at least, renewables pose a far greater threat to wildlife than climate change.

I’m a lecturer in biological and human sciences at Oxford university. I trained as a zoologist, I’ve worked as an environmental consultant — conducting impact assessments on projects like the Folkestone-to-London rail link — and I now teach ecology and conservation. Though I started out neutral on renewable energy, I’ve since seen the havoc wreaked on wildlife by wind power, hydro power, biofuels and tidal barrages. The environmentalists who support such projects do so for ideological reasons. What few of them have in their heads, though, is the consolation of sciencehttp://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8807761/wind-farms-vs-wildlife/

Uh-oh.....

The number of birds killed world-wide by wind turbines could be counted on one hand.

Funny how the conservatives who are saying "f-k the world" by attacking renewables, but suddenly care about some fictitous birds the fossil fuel industry has feed them.

Aren't you a tad too closed minded? The guy is a science lecturer at Oxford.

You ninnies are now so discombobulated that you will not listen even to scientists unless they are blindly pushing the party line. You parrot the mindless mantra of Big Denialist conspiracies and propaganda.

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Reply #159 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 10:36pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:42pm:

... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

The number of birds killed world-wide by wind turbines could be counted on one hand.

You have millions of fingers on your hand?

This is a timely picture...

http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/7.4956.1340125548!/image/Wind2.jpg_gen/derivat...

Yeah, it would have been honest of you to also say that these are figures by the... er... wind farm industry, as it is made clear by The Nature article where it comes from:
"The industry maintains that the effects on wildlife are minor. Although there are only a few, limited estimates of bird fatalities at a national level, the available data for the United States suggest that wind farms account for a tiny fraction of avian deaths (see 'Bird killers')."
http://www.nature.com/news/the-trouble-with-turbines-an-ill-wind-1.10849

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Reply #161 - Feb 6^th, 2013 at 12:10am

you nobs are now talking about loss of birds??
as a reason not to research and utilise various renewable energy solutions??

what about the exxon-valdesz disaster... or the BP oil rig spill in the Gulf ... or or.. or..

You never cared before.... when oil and waste products and smog was doing the killing.

Major Major Major --- ooops thats Catch-22...

Major Major Hypocrits.

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Reply #162 - Feb 6^th, 2013 at 12:23am

The BP spill was caused by a US contractor not correctly ascertaining the stress levels of the caps.

The Valdez spill was caused by a Jo Hazelwood acting negligently for which he was found guilty - though Exxon did pay over $500m in damages for the grounding in Port William Sound.

Often people just blame the big oil company without looking at individual levels of negligence for which it is near on impossible to police.

You hate the oil companies, yet I bet you fill your car up with petrol every week to drive to work and to see family eh?

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Reply #163 - Feb 6^th, 2013 at 1:36am

well you'd be wrong Hick.....

I only fill my 4 cyl once a month... and... don't do much driving... so .. ??
I have a petrol burning vehicle.... but it's not the V8 your peers love to brag about, just like you brag about all that flying hither and thither... making money for you and the polluters. It is always that the blame lies with someone else...never would the coys making their millions have responsibility..!! Why,, thats unimaginable..!! Roll Eyes

You get paid heaps ? so you say, for travelling the world promoting the Oil industry.... guess you MUST support your money source ..... as nothing matters but YOU.
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Happy polluter ....SICKO. MONEYLOVER CORRUPT FOOL

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Reply #164 - Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 4:06pm

A shameless c&p from C3Headlines via the inimitable Marc Morano's Climate Depot, to all those warmist cultists who think every flood and every flake of flukking snow means the world is in a tail spin. Its all been seen before, and I bet you would have wrung your pathetic hands about then too.

A list of 1956 severe disasters before 350ppm CO2 levels - must be early climate change, no?

1956: 125 Die In NYC Region Blizzard - 13.5 Inches Of Snow Quickly Dumped On Area

1956: "Threat of Famine Hovering Over Ice-Shrouded Europe"

1956: 400,000 Square Miles of Australia Threatened By Floods

1956: "It Hit Like A Bomb" - Freak Tropical Storm Floods & Blacks-Out Large Areas

1956: “Moisture conditions are the worst in recorded history”

1956: "Drought Spectre Creeps Across Great Plains, Granary of U.S.

1956: Texas/Oklahoma Blizzard Leaves Up To 43" of Snow

1956: Likely 58 Japanese Dead From Blizzard

1956: Earthquakes Rock Afghanistan - 20,000 Feared Dead

1956: Torrential Rains Swamp Tasmania - "Worst Flood In Years"

1956: "Flood Of Snakes" Threaten Farmers

1956: "Ike Will See Farm-Ranch Drought Scars No President Has Ever Witnessed"

1956: Crippling Blizzard Follows Tornadoes In Dakotas - "One Of The Worst Storms On Record"

1956: Nova Scotia Struck By 40MPH Gales, 20" Of Snow, 12ft Drifts

1956: 23-Day Cold Wave Death Toll In Europe Stands At 777

1956: Turkey's "Worst Winter" Brings Torrential Rains & Big Snow Melts

1956: Large Cracks In Taj Majal's Main Structure Appear - Heavy Floods To Blame

1956: Flood Mud Carpets Toulon, France Region - Rare Heavy Storm To Blame

1956: Black Dust Storm & Tornadoes In U.S. Kill 16

1956: "White House Plans New Drought Aid"

1956: "Ike Declares California Fire Major Disaster" - Brush Fires Spread

1956: Floods & Avalanches Affect Areas of Germany and Austria

1956: Cyclone Strikes Queensland, Australia

1956: Southern Ohio Fights Forest Fires From High Wind & Low Humidity Conditions

1956: Los Angeles First Hit With Record Storm Flood Then Sizzled By Fire

1956: 2,000 Chinese Die In Typhoon

1956: Canadian Farmers Lose Crops To Golf-Ball Sized Hailstorm

1956: Famous Historian Predicts Devastating World Famine To Come

1956: Tidal Wave 24-Feet High Roars Into Calcutta

1956: Cloudburst Storm Triggers Dangerous Floods In Brazil

1956: Idaho's Forest Fires Increase By 20 As New Storms Strike

1956: South Pole Iceberg Sighted That Is 3X The Size of Manhattan Island

1956: Hurricane Flossy Floods New Orlean's Streets

1956: Tornadoes & Floods Plague Central U.S.

1956: 600 Mile Wide Typhoon With 140MPH Winds Rips Into Okinawa

1956: Vast Forest Fires Rage In Alaska

1956: 30% of U.S. Has Extreme Drought Conditions

1956: Greek Islands Struck By Earthquake, Volcano & Tidal Wave

1956: Monsoon Dumps 11 Inches Of Rain On Australia In 24 Hours

1956: 150 Forest Fires Plague New Mexico & Arizona

1956: Hurricane Hits Florida

1956: 19 British Die From Forest Fire On Sun-Baked Hills Of Cyprus

Grin

and this was all before the ice age scare in the '70's, way too much gathering around the KoolAid me thinks.

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