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Reply #75 - Aug 15th, 2012 at 3:18am
 


The essence of Hansen's paper. Throw up as many straw men as you like, it's not going to obfuscate the facts.
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Reply #76 - Aug 15th, 2012 at 6:33am
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 3:18am:


The essence of Hansen's paper. Throw up as many straw men as you like, it's not going to obfuscate the facts.

The fact that hansen is an activist scientist. Is being laughed at by his peers. Is a scaremonger of the highest order.

They can make the 1930's data disappear with their fraud, but they cant make the news articles go away. They can cherry pick as much as they like, but that will not make the science anymore correct.
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Reply #77 - Aug 15th, 2012 at 6:45am
 
Progs, if you read the paper you would understand that Hansen includes data from the 1930s when discussing the US.

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The longer time scale is important for the United States, because of the well-known extreme heat and droughts of the 1930s. The frequency of occurrence of the three categories of hot summers in the contiguous 48 states of the United States is shown in the lower right of Figure 7. The 48 states cover less than 1.6% of the global area and thus the results are very "noisy". Despite the noise, we can discern that the trend toward hot summers in recent decades is not as pronounced in the United States as it is in hemispheric land area as a whole. Also the extreme summer heat of the 1930s, especially 1934 and 1936, is comparable to the most extreme recent years.
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Reply #78 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 9:11am
 
More scientists to answer your questions why are are being lied to by hansen

In his Aug. 6 op-ed, "A New Climate-Change Consensus," Environmental Defense Fund President Fred Krupp speaks of "the trend—a decades-long march toward hotter and wilder weather." We have seen quite a few such claims this summer season, and Mr. Krupp insists that we accept them as "true." Only with Lewis Carroll's famous definition of truth, "What I tell you three times is true," is this the case.

But repetition of a fib does not make it true. As one of many pieces of evidence that our climate is doing what it always does, consider the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's year-by-year data for wet and dry years in the continental U.S.

From 1900 to the present, there are only irregular, chaotic variations from year to year, but no change in the trend or in the frequency of dry years or wet years. Sometimes there are clusters of dry years, the most significant being the dry Dust Bowl years of the 1930s. These tend to be followed by clusters of wet years.

Despite shrill claims of new record highs, when we look at record highs for temperature measurement stations that have existed long enough to have a meaningful history, there is no trend in the number of extreme high temperatures, neither regionally nor continentally. We do see the Dust Bowl years of the 1930s setting the largest number of record highs, at a time when it is acknowledged that humans had negligible effect on climate.

What about strong tornadoes? Again there is no trend. Last year was an unusually active season, and unfortunately some of those storms ravaged population centers. We were told that these disasters were the result of human CO2 emissions. Yet 2011 was only the sixth worst for strong tornadoes since 1950 and far from a record. And have any of us heard about this tornado year? Why not? Because 2012 has been unusually quiet. Most of the tornado season is behind us, and so far the tornado count is mired in the lowest quintile of historical activity. As for hurricanes, again there is no discernible trend. Regarding wildfires, past western fires burned far more acreage than today. Any climate effect on wildfires is complicated by the controversial fire suppression practices of the past hundred years.

Lurid media reporting and advocates' claims aside, even the last comprehensive Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report noted that "archived data sets are not yet sufficient for determining long-term trends in [weather] extremes." Yet this has not stopped global warming advocates from using hot summer weather as a tool to dramatize a supposedly impending climate Armageddon.

In a telling 2007 PBS interview, former Sen. Tim Wirth gloated about how he had rigged the 1988 Senate testimony chamber to dramatize the impact of NASA scientist James Hansen's histrionic testimony on imminent danger from global warming: "We called the Weather Bureau and found out what historically was the hottest day of the summer . . . So we scheduled the hearing that day, and bingo, it was the hottest day on record in Washington or close to it."

Not content to gamble on the vagaries of weather statistics, Mr. Wirth also boasted, "What we did is that we went in the night beforehand and opened all the windows . . . so the air conditioning wasn't working inside the room . . . when the hearing occurred, there was not only bliss, which is television cameras and double figures, but it was really hot." Tricks like those described by Sen. Wirth have been refined to an art to promote the cause of economically costly action to prevent supposedly catastrophic consequences of increasing CO2. Contrast these manipulations with the measured and informative Senate testimony of climatologist John Christy earlier this month.

In an effort to move the science debate completely into the political arena, Mr. Krupp implies that with the exception of a few enlightened Republican governors and captains of industry, most "conservatives" are climate skeptics—and vice versa. But some of the most formidable opponents of climate hysteria include the politically liberal physics Nobel laureate, Ivar Giaever; famously independent physicist and author, Freeman Dyson; environmentalist futurist, and father of the Gaia Hypothesis, James Lovelock; left-center chemist, Fritz Vahrenholt, one of the fathers of the German environmental movement, and many others who would bristle at being lumped into the conservative camp.

Whether increasing CO2 in the atmosphere is bad or good is a question of science. And in science, truth and facts are not the playthings of causes, nor a touchstone of political correctness, nor true religion, nor "what I tell you three times is true."

Humanity has always dealt with changing climate. In addition to the years of drought and excessive moisture described above, the geological record makes it clear that there have been longer-term periods of drought, lasting for many years as during the Dust Bowl of the 1930s to many decades or centuries. None of these past climate changes, which had a profound effect on humanity, had anything to do with CO2, and there are good reasons for skepticism that doubling CO2 will make much difference compared to natural climate changes.

It is increasingly clear that doubling CO2 is unlikely to increase global temperature more than about one degree Celsius, not the much larger values touted by the global warming establishment. In fact, CO2 levels are below the optimum levels for most plants, and there are persuasive arguments that the mild warming and increased agricultural yields from doubling CO2 will be an overall benefit for humanity. Let us debate and deal with serious, real problems facing our society, not elaborately orchestrated, phony ones, like the trumped-up need to drastically curtail CO2 emissions.

Roger W. Cohen

Fellow, American Physical Society

La Jolla, Calif.

William Happer

Princeton University

Princeton, N.J.

Richard S. Lindzen

Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Cambridge, Mass.



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Reply #79 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 2:17pm
 
More scientists explaining about a paper from an idiot extremist activist climate scientist.

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I was finishing up my U.S. Senate testimony for 1 Aug when a reporter sent me a PNAS paper by Hansen et al. (2012) embargoed until after the Hearing. Because of the embargo, I couldn’t comment about Hansen et al. at the Hearing. This paper claimed, among other things, that the proportion of the Northern Hemisphere land area (with weather stations) that exceeded extreme summer hot temperatures was now 10 percent or more for the 2006 to 2011 period.

For extremes at that level (three standard deviations or 3-sigma) this was remarkable evidence for “human-made global warming.” Statistically speaking, the area covered by that extreme in any given hotter-than-average year should only be in the lowest single digits … that is, if the Hansen et al. assumptions are true – i.e., (a) if TMean accurately represents only the effect of extra greenhouse gases, (b) if the climate acts like a bell-shaped curve, (c) if the bell-shaped curve determined by a single 30-year period (1951-1980) represents all of natural climate variability, and (d) if the GISS interpolated and extrapolated dataset preserves accurate anomaly values. (I hope you are raising a suspicious eyebrow by now.)

The conclusion, to which the authors jumped, was that such a relatively large area of recent extremes could only be caused by the enhanced greenhouse effect. But, the authors went further by making an attempt at advocacy, not science, as they say they were motivated by “the need for the public to appreciate the significance of human-made global warming.”

Permit me to digress into an opinionated comment. In 2006, President George W. Bush was wrong when he said we were addicted to oil. The real truth is, oil, and other carbon-based fuels, are merely the affordable means by which we can satisfy our true addictions – long life, good health, prosperity, technological progress, adequate food supplies, internet services, freedom of movement, protection from environmental threats, and so on. As I’ve said numerous times after living in Africa, – without energy, life is brutal and short.

Folks with Hansen’s view are quick to condemn carbon fuels while overlooking the obvious reasons for their use and the astounding benefits they provide (and in which they participate). The lead author referred to coal trains as “death trains – no less gruesome than if they were boxcars headed to the crematoria.” The truth, in my opinion, is the exact opposite – carbon has provided accessible energy that has been indisputably responsible for enhancing security, longevity, and the overall welfare of human life. In other words, carbon-based energy has lifted billions out of an impoverished, brutal existence.

In my view, that is “good,” and I hope Hansen and co-authors would agree. I can’t scientifically demonstrate that improving the human condition is “good” because that is a value judgment about human life. This “good” is simply something I believe to be of inestimable value, and which at this point in history is made possible by carbon.

Back to science. After reading Part 1, everyone should have some serious concerns about the methodology of the Hansen et al. as published in PNAS. [By the way, I went through the same peer-review process for this post as for a PNAS publication: I selected my colleague Roy Spencer, a highly qualified, award-winning climate scientist, as the reviewer.]

With regard to (a) above, I’ve already provided evidence in Part 1 that TMean misrepresents the response of the climate system to extra greenhouse gases. So, I decided to look only at TMax. For this I downloaded the station data from the Berkeley BEST dataset (quality-controlled version). This dataset has more stations than GISS, and can be gridded so as to avoid extrapolated and interpolated values where strange statistical features can arise. This gridding addresses assumption (d) above. I binned the data into 1° Lat x 2° Lon grids, and de-biased the individual station time series relative to one another within each grid, merging them into a single time series per grid. The results below are for NH summer only, to match the results that Hansen et al. used to formulate their main assertions.

In Fig. 2.1 I show the percentage of the NH land areas that Hansen et al. calculated to be above the TMean 3-sigma threshold for 2006 to 2011 (black-filled circles). The next curve (gray-filled circles) is the same calculation, using the same base period (1951-1980), but using TMax from my construction from the BEST station data. The correlation between the two is high, so broad spatial and temporal features are the same. However, the areal coverage drops off by over half, from Hansen’s 6-year average of 12 percent to this analysis at 5 percent (click for full-size version):

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Now, I believe assumption (c), that the particular climate of 1951-1980 can provide the complete and ideal distribution for calculating the impact of greenhouse gas increases, displays a remarkably biased view of the statistics of a non-linear dynamical system. Hansen et al. claim this short period faithfully represents the natural climate variability of not just the present, but the past 10,000 years – and that 1981-2011 is outside of that range. Hansen assuming any 30-year period represents all of Holocene climate is simply astounding to me.

A quick look at the time series of the US record of high TMax’s (Fig.1.1 in Part 1) indicates that the period 1951-1980 was one of especially low variability in the relatively brief 110-year climate record. Thus, it is an unrepresentative sample of the climate’s natural variability. So, for a major portion of the observed NH land area, the selection of 1951-80 as the reference-base immediately convicts the anomalies for those decades outside of that period as criminal outliers.

This brings up an important question. How many decades of accurate climate observations are required to establish a climatology from which departures from that climatology may be declared as outside the realm of natural variability? Since the climate is a non-linear, dynamical system, the answer is unknown, but certainly the ideal base-period would be much longer than 30 years thanks to the natural variability of the background climate on all time scales.

We can test the choice of 1951-1980 as capable of defining an accurate pre-greenhouse warming climatology. I shall simply add 20 years to the beginning of the reference period. Certainly Hansen et al. would consider 1931-1950 as “pre-greenhouse” since they considered their own later reference period of 1951-1980 as such. Will this change the outcome?

The result is the third curve from the top (open circles) in Fig. 2.1 above, showing values mostly in the low single digits (6-year average of 2.9 percent) being generally a quarter of Hansen et al.’s results. In other words, the results change quite a bit simply by widening the window back into a period with even less greenhouse forcing for an acceptable base-climate. (Please note that the only grids used to calculate the percentage of area were those with at least 90 percent of the data during the reference period – I couldn’t tell from Hansen et al. whether they had applied such a consistency test.)

The lowest curve in Fig. 2.1 (squares) uses a base reference period of 80 years (1931-2010) in which a lot of variability occurred. The recent decade doesn’t show much at all with a 1.3 percent average. Now, one may legitimately complain that since I included the most recent 30 years of greenhouse warming in the statistics, that the reference period is not pure enough for testing the effect. I understand fully. My response is, can anyone prove that decades with even higher temperatures and variations have not occurred in the last 1,000 or even 10,000 pre-greenhouse, post-glacial years?

That question takes us back to our nemesis. What is an accurate expression of the statistics of the interglacial, non-greenhouse-enhanced climate? Or, what is the extent of anomalies that Mother Nature can achieve on her own for the “natural” climate system from one 30-year period to the next? I’ll bet the variations are much greater than depicted by 1951-1980 alone, so this choice by Hansen as the base climate is not broad enough. In the least, there should be no objection to using 1931-1980 as a reference-base for a non-enhanced-greenhouse climate.

In press reports for this paper (e.g., here), Hansen indicated that “he had underestimated how bad things could get” regarding his 1988 predictions of future climate. According to the global temperature chart below (Fig. 2.2), one could make the case that his comment apparently means he hadn’t anticipated how bad his 1988 predictions would be when compared with satellite observations from UAH and RSS:

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Reply #80 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 2:17pm
 
By the way, a climate model simulation is a hypothesis and Fig. 2.2 is called ”testing a hypothesis.” The simulations fail the test. (Note that though allowing for growing emissions in scenario A, the real world emitted even more greenhouse gases, so the results here are an underestimate of the actual model errors.)

The bottom line of this little exercise is that I believe the analysis of Hansen et al. is based on assumptions designed to confirm a specific bias about climate change and then, like a legal brief, advocates for public acceptance of that bias to motivate the adoption of certain policies (see Hansen’s Washington Post Op-Ed 3 Aug 2012).

Using the different assumptions above, which I believe are more scientifically defensible, I don’t see alarming changes. Further, the discussion in and around Hansen et al. of the danger of carbon-based energy is simply an advocacy-based opinion of an immensely complex issue and which ignores the ubiquitous and undeniable benefits that carbon-based energy provides for human life.

Finally, I thought I just saw the proverbial “horse” I presumed was dead twitch a little (see Part 1). So, I want to beat it one more time. In Fig. 2.3 is the 1900-2011 analysis of areal coverage of positive anomalies (2.05-sigma or 2.5 percent significance level) over USA48 from the BEST TMax and TMin gridded data. The reference period is 1951-1980:


Does anyone still think TMax and TMin (and thus TMean) have consistently measured the same physical property of the climate through the years?

It’s August and the dewpoint just dipped below 70°F here in Alabama, so I’m headed out for a run.

REFERENCE:
Hansen, J., M. Sato and R. Ruedy, 2012: Perception of climate change. Proc. Nat. Ac. Sci., doi/10.1073/pnas.1205276109.


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Reply #81 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:45pm
 
Honestly, progs, I've come home from a hard day at work, and the last thing I want to do is read through screeds cut and pasted from some denial site. If you have a point to make, make it succinctly. If it makes sense I'll always go to any link you post.
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Reply #82 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:50pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
Honestly, progs, I've come home from a hard day at work, and the last thing I want to do is read through screeds cut and pasted from some denial site. If you have a point to make, make it succinctly. If it makes sense I'll always go to any link you post.

You read from some exteme activist scientist. That creates precedence.
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Reply #83 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 9:00pm
 
Progs, if you can't summarise it you don't understand it. If you don't understand what you're posting, don't post it.
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Reply #84 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 9:07pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 9:00pm:
Progs, if you can't summarise it you don't understand it. If you don't understand what you're posting, don't post it.

Dont be telling me what to do. Who the hell are you.

Just take your busy body totalitarian attitude and give it to yourself with the words 'dont read or comment on it'
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Reply #85 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 9:56pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
If you have a point to make, make it succinctly.



AGW=a load of stats.

'Global warming' - sounds scary but it's just averages.
Instead of 129 freezing days, its 126.
instead of 189 pleasant days, it is 194.
Instead of 47 unchanged days, it's 45.








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Reply #86 - Aug 17th, 2012 at 4:33am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 9:56pm:
MOTR wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
If you have a point to make, make it succinctly.



AGW=a load of stats.

'Global warming' - sounds scary but it's just averages.
Instead of 129 freezing days, its 126.
instead of 189 pleasant days, it is 194.
Instead of 47 unchanged days, it's 45.


That's what I'm talking about. Now link it.
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Reply #87 - Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:27am
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
Honestly, progs, I've come home from a hard day at work, and the last thing I want to do is read through screeds cut and pasted from some denial site. If you have a point to make, make it succinctly. If it makes sense I'll always go to any link you post.


Succinctly - "This study which I found on a denialist site puts the climate Sensitivity as low (yeah! Low rules). It's just one study, whereas the IPCC AR4 Climate study was based on a host of climate studies from around the world, but I like this one as opposed to the IPCC's synthesis of multiple studies (even though it included studies with low values)  because it gives me the low result I like."  Smiley

However, progs aside, the best estimate today based on more modern studies puts climate sensitivity at 2.6–4.1 °C for a doubling of CO2, with most studies clustering around 3 °C, so the error bars have closed a little. That mean value of 3 °C hasn't changed since 1999, and it's confirmed by all the usual data, including Ice core data, the Pinatubo eruption and 20-21st Century hard data.

Does that mean that you won't get single studies that put it lower? Of course not.
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Reply #88 - Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:35am
 
Climate sensitivity of  3 °C is not climate change by 3 °C, of course.

Climate sensitivity of  3 °C means a predicted change due to CO2 IF NOTHING ELSE changes.

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Reply #89 - Aug 17th, 2012 at 7:01pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:35am:
Climate sensitivity of  3 °C is not climate change by 3 °C, of course.

Climate sensitivity of  3 °C means a predicted change due to CO2 IF NOTHING ELSE changes.



Keep trying and you'll understand it eventually. The radiative forcing due to CO2 plus methane plus nitrous oxide plus ozone etc is around 4W/m2.  This equates to about 1 Celsius degree (1 Kelvin, 1K) for a doubling of CO2. Added to this are the various feedbacks which occur as a result of the CO2 (etc) forcing.  These include the  water vapor feedback, the ice-albedo feedback, the cloud feedback, and the lapse rate feedback. Now if we add up all these feedbacks and together with the radiative forcings, we get a sensitivity to CO2 doubling of approximately 3 °C ± 1.5 °C.

Now this does not include such unlikely scenarios as the Earth suddenly shifting off its axis due to Iranian Clerics masturbating, enormous stratospheric volcanoes such as the Mt Toba eruption, which happened about 70,000 years ago, huge meteroid impacts, dramatic rapid fluctuations in solar output or God sneezing.

So yes, it doesn't account for any of the above changes. 

What I'm describing here is strictly  equilibrium climate sensitivity.  This applies over about a 100 year timescale. Apart from that, there is "effective climate sensitivity" (ESS) which covers slower factors as major albedo changes such as those due to major ice caps melting. This is less certain than the ECS, but is likely to be around double that of the ECS,

sigh..... Smiley

Then there is the transient climate sensitivity(TCS), much beloved of  Roy Spencer and his croneys. The TCS is lower than the ECS because it doesn't take into account the "inertia" of ocean heat uptake.
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