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Reply #151 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 2:59pm

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The Gay and Lesbian Foundation of Australia (GALFA) is a charitable foundation whose purpose is to provide funds for charitable activities/organisations which have as their sole or chief purpose/outcome, the good and betterment of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex people and allied communities, in Australia.

http://www.galfa.org.au/about.shtml

Yeah thanks elvis but i wanted freediver to answer me. He never answers my question yet he asks and asks and asks.

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Reply #152 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 3:01pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:38pm:

Spot are you saying that the only thing you want a link for is whether gay groups call themselves charities, but not whether Abu wants to kill them? Is this some kind of desperate attempt to change the topic, or is that a genuine reflection of your priorities?

Or are you just confused again?

Go back and read the friggin thread. I asked you a question and you didnt answer it. Has nothing to do with abu or whatever you went on about afterwards. It was pages ago. You ask me question after question but i ask 1 question and . . . . nothing. Elvis answered it for you i see.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: SOBs unjustified prejudice Reply #154 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 5:26pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 3:43pm: tell us more about islam not being polygamy SOB, that is a funny one. WTF? Its not - polygamy is just one lil part of it - is xtianity polygamy? mormons think so . . . . SOB
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Reply #155 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 9:45pm

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You ask me question after question but i ask 1 question and

Not really. I am just trying to get you to acknowledge the reality. I have not been quoting the Koran at Abu as you claim and telling him what he believes. I have been asking him. As far as I can tell it still has not sunk in with you that Abu opposes freedom and democracy and wants the death penalty for all sorts of thought crimes. I can provide links and quotes on any that you are interested in. It will help you to face reality, one little step at a time. You can move past your little delusion that impotence is the same thing as benign intent.

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Reply #156 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 12:46am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 5:26pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

tell us more about islam not being polygamy SOB, that is a funny one.

WTF? Its not - polygamy is just one lil part of it - is xtianity polygamy? mormons think so . . . .

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ah, so, your thought is islam promotes a polygamous relationship ?

does it agree with one wife having many husbands also ?
Or is it just sexist?

show me in the NT where many wives is stated.

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Reply #157 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 4:43am

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 9:45pm:

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You ask me question after question but i ask 1 question and

Not really. I am just trying to get you to acknowledge the reality. I have not been quoting the Koran at Abu as you claim and telling him what he believes. I have been asking him. As far as I can tell it still has not sunk in with you that Abu opposes freedom and democracy and wants the death penalty for all sorts of thought crimes. I can provide links and quotes on any that you are interested in. It will help you to face reality, one little step at a time. You can move past your little delusion that impotence is the same thing as benign intent.

Why do you care what i think of abu? If he is radical he is not typical if he is not radical then you are exaggerating and trapping him semantically into saying things he doesnt mean. I dont know which and i dont care.

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Reply #158 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 4:45am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 12:46am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 5:26pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

tell us more about islam not being polygamy SOB, that is a funny one.

WTF? Its not - polygamy is just one lil part of it - is xtianity polygamy? mormons think so . . . .

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ah, so, your thought is islam promotes a polygamous relationship ?

does it agree with one wife having many husbands also ?
Or is it just sexist?

show me in the NT where many wives is stated.

Why are you doing that? So you think islam is polygamy? So any polygamist must be an islamist then? So mormons are actually muslims. Whodda thunkit. Whats all the fuss about terrorism then? Is polygamy that bad?

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Reply #159 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 8:36am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 4:43am:

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 9:45pm:

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You ask me question after question but i ask 1 question and

Not really. I am just trying to get you to acknowledge the reality. I have not been quoting the Koran at Abu as you claim and telling him what he believes. I have been asking him. As far as I can tell it still has not sunk in with you that Abu opposes freedom and democracy and wants the death penalty for all sorts of thought crimes. I can provide links and quotes on any that you are interested in. It will help you to face reality, one little step at a time. You can move past your little delusion that impotence is the same thing as benign intent.

Why do you care what i think of abu? If he is radical he is not typical if he is not radical then you are exaggerating and trapping him semantically into saying things he doesnt mean. I dont know which and i dont care.

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Your bigger picture is made up of meaningless generalisations that disappear when you attempt to look at them. However, it is made up of little pictures that are specific. There is no hope of showing you how wrong your bigger picture is, but if I can point out how you are being fooled one example at a time then there is still hope for you. If you don't care, you should not be so insistent that you know what Abu wants when you clearly do not

Here is an example. See if you can spot the difference between what Abu wants and what he thinks he is capable of achieving:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:12am:

I do not want a secular society, I want a society based on the true word of God. Does that mean I'm going to wage some violent campaign of enforcement of my wants upon my fellow citizens?? Definitely not!

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Reply #160 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:31am

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If you don't care, you should not be so insistent that you know what Abu wants when you clearly do not

See that is what im talking about. you pick and pick and confuse and confuse until you get a semantic victory (so you think) of some sort but it doesnt mean anything because its not factual. the only thing i have said about abu is what he said to me when i asked him. You trying to force me into some semantic interpretation about what he means is stupid. Ask him.

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Here is an example. See if you can spot the difference between what Abu wants and what he thinks he is capable of achieving:

Ask many xtians what they7 want. they want everyone to be xtian. They want everyone to live by their standards and what they call "morals". Seriously. They cant achieve it either but they want it. Its a religious thing.

What abu said there was the same thing i hear from xtians all the time. You just want to confuse things with semantics.

Now see? you are hassling me into defending abu again. Why? So you can call me a muslim? More likely so yadda can . . . .

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Reply #161 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 12:37pm

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the only thing i have said about abu is what he said to me when i asked him.

But he did not actually say the things you attributed to him. You merely fooled yourself into believing he did because it suited whatever agenda you are pushing about religion.

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You trying to force me into some semantic interpretation about what he means is stupid. Ask him.

It is not an 'interpretation'. It is what he actually said. I am trying to get you to see it for what it is rather than what you want to believe it is.

Basically, Abu portrayed his impotence to achieve what he wants as not actually wanting it, and you fell for it, hook line and sinker, even when you were given plenty of examples where Abu himself said quite clearly what he wants and what he believes. You refused to believe them, claimed I was quoting the Koran at Abu, and used every mental block you could think of to avoid acknowledging reality. This is why you refuse to quote Abu when attributing claims to him.

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Ask many xtians what they7 want. they want everyone to be xtian.

Sure, but this is not the same thing as wanting them killed for making the wrong choice. Just because Abu freely admits he wants people to choose Islam does not mean he does not also want to kill people who think the wrong thoughts.

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What abu said there was the same thing i hear from xtians all the time.

Spot, it is the differences that matter. If Abu said he liked weetbix for breakfast too would this mean he does not want to kill people? Why is it so easy to hoodwink you?

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Now see? you are hassling me into defending abu again. Why?

No Spot, I am trying to get you to face up to your self delusions.

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Reply #163 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 1:33pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

SOB - xianity is not a religious movement, so it can't enforce a doctrine up on any populace.

Unlike islam, whose written aim is to make all religions subservient to it, by any means whatsoever.
It also discriminates against every nonmuslim once it is in power.

But it is not in power. Not in australia. And I dont think sharia is in power anywhere.

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But he did not actually say the things you attributed to him. You merely fooled yourself into believing he did because it suited whatever agenda you are pushing about religion.

Hahahhaha. You want to interpret and reinterpret everything. He answered good enough for me. Since all along i said he isnt a danger to australia.

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It is not an 'interpretation'. It is what he actually said. I am trying to get you to see it for what it is rather than what you want to believe it is.

It is an interpretation. You hassle and hassle until ppl say something kinda close to what you want semantically then pounce. Doesnt matter if its what they meant or not.

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Basically, Abu portrayed his impotence to achieve what he wants as not actually wanting it, and you fell for it, hook line and sinker, even when you were given plenty of examples where Abu himself said quite clearly what he wants and what he believes. You refused to believe them, claimed I was quoting the Koran at Abu, and used every mental block you could think of to avoid acknowledging reality. This is why you refuse to quote Abu when attributing claims to him.

No. He said he didnt want to kill anyone and he pretty much said the same thing hes been saying all along that he cant and wont change anything and doesnt even want to although he wants everyone to believe in his god. Same as every other religious person. You are the one interpreting and attributing claims to him. And me.

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Sure, but this is not the same thing as wanting them killed for making the wrong choice. Just because Abu freely admits he wants people to choose Islam does not mean he does not also want to kill people who think the wrong thoughts.

That is your interpretation of what he says. Semantics.

Thing is I cant provide quotes of what he did not say. That is unreasonable.

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