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Reply #30 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:05pm

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

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It wouldn't affect me if you claimed you were the King of Siam either - but I'd still say you were lying.
For soemtrhing that is so insignificant, you sure do a lot of mental gymnastics to make it conform with your platitudes. Why do you bother?

Simply to irritate YOU....Gay marriage won't affect anyone other than gay people...so it's really not worth worrying about.....whhen it becomes compulsory, THEN I'll bother to get upset and start spitting vitrol...

That's a bit of a jump there - I thought you were arguing that homosexuality is "normal". When did the argument shift from that to whether or not homorriage should be allowed?

I kind of am...It is normal, within the amount of variation in the human race.....Skin colour, religion, sexual preference ( within the species) isn't important...

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Reply #31 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:07pm

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Having 2 eyes is "normal". The fact that some unfortunate people may have 1 or 3 doesn't change that.

Having 2 legs is "normal" - that some people have 0, 1, 3 or more doesn't change that.

And being sexually attracted to the opposite sex is normal - that some have different objects of attraction doesn't change that.

Now if you wanted to argue that homosexuality isn't "evil" I'd agree with you...but trying to combat these perceptions with outright lies like homosexuality being "normal" doesn't do the cause any favours.

not that I'm looking to buy into such a stupid argument, but I remember once hearing about a study that determined if you isolate 2 or 3 men from childhood, in an area outside the influence of other people, they will invariably develop homosexual tendancies ... if such a thing is true, then your argument that homosexuality is not normal is utter rubbish, we are taught that man developes a bond with women and not to other men, it is not, according to this study, a normal part of our DNA.

Now, this is a study I had heard of many years ago ... don't ask me to provide a link because I don't have one ,and I don't even know how reliable the story or my memory of it is ... but what if?

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: SOBs unjustified prejudice Reply #32 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:10pm Quote: sexual preference ( within the species) isn't important... If you want the species to last for longer than 1 generation it is quite important. You do know why we even have reproductive organs don't you? (hint: reproductive)
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: SOBs unjustified prejudice Reply #33 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:14pm John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:07pm: I remember once hearing about a study that determined if you isolate 2 or 3 men from childhood, in an area outside the influence of other people, they will invariably develop homosexual tendancies ... How did that get through the research ethics committee??
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Reply #34 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:15pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:07pm:

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Having 2 eyes is "normal". The fact that some unfortunate people may have 1 or 3 doesn't change that.

Having 2 legs is "normal" - that some people have 0, 1, 3 or more doesn't change that.

And being sexually attracted to the opposite sex is normal - that some have different objects of attraction doesn't change that.

Now if you wanted to argue that homosexuality isn't "evil" I'd agree with you...but trying to combat these perceptions with outright lies like homosexuality being "normal" doesn't do the cause any favours.

not that I'm looking to buy into such a stupid argument, but I remember once hearing about a study that determined if you isolate 2 or 3 men from childhood, in an area outside the influence of other people, they will invariably develop homosexual tendancies ... if such a thing is true, then your argument that homosexuality is not normal is utter rubbish, we are taught that man developes a bond with women and not to other men, it is not, according to this study, a normal part of our DNA.

Now, this is a study I had heard of many years ago ... don't ask me to provide a link because I don't have one ,and I don't even know how reliable the story or my memory of it is ... but what if?

This study could be summed up as:

If you subject people to unnatural conditions, they will develop unnatural traits.

No great surprise there. I'd expect if someone was raised in a gorilla troop without outside influence, they'd probably find themselves attracted to gorillas. Does it then follow that human-gorilla sex is "equal" to some good old fashioned human-on-human action?

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Reply #35 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

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sexual preference ( within the species) isn't important...

If you want the species to last for longer than 1 generation it is *quite* important.

You do know why we even have reproductive organs don't you?
(hint: reproductive)

Not really...the numbers aren't any where near a dangerous level....You might as well classify masturbation as counter productive...When and IF the birth rate drops due to homosexuality, I'll get concerned..but that hasn't happened yet, and may never happen...gay people do still conceive and have children...

I'm much more concerned about mindless bigotry than I am about the 'decline and fall' of the human race....

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Reply #36 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:27pm

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:07pm:

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Having 2 eyes is "normal". The fact that some unfortunate people may have 1 or 3 doesn't change that.

Having 2 legs is "normal" - that some people have 0, 1, 3 or more doesn't change that.

And being sexually attracted to the opposite sex is normal - that some have different objects of attraction doesn't change that.

Now if you wanted to argue that homosexuality isn't "evil" I'd agree with you...but trying to combat these perceptions with outright lies like homosexuality being "normal" doesn't do the cause any favours.

not that I'm looking to buy into such a stupid argument, but I remember once hearing about a study that determined if you isolate 2 or 3 men from childhood, in an area outside the influence of other people, they will invariably develop homosexual tendancies ... if such a thing is true, then your argument that homosexuality is not normal is utter rubbish, we are taught that man developes a bond with women and not to other men, it is not, according to this study, a normal part of our DNA.

Now, this is a study I had heard of many years ago ... don't ask me to provide a link because I don't have one ,and I don't even know how reliable the story or my memory of it is ... but what if?

This study could be summed up as:

If you subject people to unnatural conditions, they will develop unnatural traits.

No great surprise there. I'd expect if someone was raised in a gorilla troop without outside influence, they'd probably find themselves attracted to gorillas. Does it then follow that human-gorilla sex is "equal" to some good old fashioned human-on-human action?

but the question has to be is it a natural trait if it has to be taught? and don't mistake the act of procreation with forming a loving bond with someone .. the two are completely unrelated ....... a lot of gay guys will have the sex with a woman just for the purpose of having kids ...

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Reply #37 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

but the question has to be is it a natural trait if it has to be taught? and don't mistake the act of procreation with forming a loving bond with someone .. the two are completely unrelated ....... a lot of gay guys will have the sex with a woman just for the purpose of having kids ...

It doesn't follow that it has to be "taught".

The experiment unnaturally deprives them of something they would otherwise be exposed to (females). Normal exposure to something isn't "teaching" anything in itself, it facilitates normal development.

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: SOBs unjustified prejudice Reply #38 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:36pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:22pm: You might as well classify masturbation as counter productive... Only for men though......
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Reply #39 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:41pm

Frances wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

You might as well classify masturbation as counter productive...

Only for men though......

Masturbation is just a short-ciruciting of the positive feedback loop used to drive reproduction. Such an important job is best not left to chance, so mother nature, (or god, charles darwin - whoever) made it so that sex would feel good - reward us, giving us reason to seek it out. But we smart apes learned how to get pleasure without the responsibility. Still, that doesn't change it's original purpose.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: SOBs unjustified prejudice Reply #40 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:51pm Frances wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:36pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:22pm: You might as well classify masturbation as counter productive... Only for men though...... Why?? Masturabtion is sex without reproduction...it applies equally to men AND women...
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Reply #42 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

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It wouldn't affect me if you claimed you were the King of Siam either - but I'd still say you were lying.
For soemtrhing that is so insignificant, you sure do a lot of mental gymnastics to make it conform with your platitudes. Why do you bother?

Simply to irritate YOU....Gay marriage won't affect anyone other than gay people...so it's really not worth worrying about.....whhen it becomes compulsory, THEN I'll bother to get upset and start spitting vitrol...

That's a bit of a jump there - I thought you were arguing that homosexuality is "normal". When did the argument shift from that to whether or not homorriage should be allowed?

For the record, IF the government must have a say in what unions it formally recognises, then it should draw distinctions between different ypes of unions. Just as we don't say that your relationship with your best friend is "just the same" as that with your wife, so we shouldn't say that a relationship between 2 people of the same sex (ie with no higher utility or function than each parties gratification) is "just the same" as one with 2 people of the opposite sex.

What's the bet I have some rube asking "whats the difference" Before you type out such inanity, just follow this link and all will be explained.

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Did-I-Come-From/dp/0818402539

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Gay marriage won't affect anyone other than gay people

See that was the whole point until you came along with your strawmen.

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Reply #43 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

Soren wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

They would be normal if they were equal. Its their inequality that sets them apart.

SOB

So they are 'gay' because they are unequal? Doesn't make sense. They should call themselves 'stodgy'.

Obviously not even pretending to be discussing any topics @ hand as usual.

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Reply #44 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:57pm

... wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

I'm much more concerned about mindless bigotry than I am about the 'decline and fall' of the human race....

I'm more concerned with just plain mindlessness...hence why I am picking apart the steady stream of platitudes that emanate from your keyboard.

Nope doesn't work that way....

I like the opposite sex...a lot, but I'm not going to bother burning people who are 'different' at the stake...

There are no 'platitudes' involved...
Once we go down the path of condemning people for variegating from a conceived 'norm' where dfo we stop?? (ok THAT is a platitude)...will we end up disenfrancising people who do (or don't) take milk in their coffee???

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