gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:


Good.  Neither am I. 

Quote:



Weelll....I think a few of your utterances fall firmly in the platitude camp.  But no matter - forgiven.

Quote:


Who's "condemning" anyone?  If I said "normal" people can't lift 3 times their bodyweight, how does that translate to "condemning" those that can? 




Not normal.

I think that spot has an agenda to portray religion as the heart of every problem. Part of this is to portray every religion as equally bad. Therefor any hint that any particular religion may be more of a problem has to be countered. So you will only see the following claims from spot:

1) Sweeping generalisations about all religions. If you push him to criticise any specific aspect of Islam, this is all you will get.

2) Specific criticism of other religions and other religious people (to attempt to 'level the playing field' so all religions are equally bad).

3) Not all Muslims are the same. While sweeping generalisations about religion are OK, spot does not allow any sort of generalisation about Islam or Muslims and tries to stamp it out of discussions.

4) Muslims cannot possibly be the problem because the ones in malaysia (eg his servants) were not hostile towards him.

5) Denial. If faced with an unpalatable truth about what a specific Muslim believes, Spot will substitute that truth with his own version. He simply ignores what they actually say, and attempts to read the opposite into what they do not say.

Quote:


Yet when Muslims talk about rejecting freedom and deomocracy, imposing Shariah law on people and killing people for spostasy, spot turns the other way and pretends they said the opposite.

Quote:


Surely it is what they might do with that power that matters? Yet you refuse to acknowledge this, even though it plays a major role in just about every war that is happening today.

Quote:


Can you explain why you refuse to acknowledge how Muslims wanting to kill people for apostasy might have an impact on other people - like for example the people they kill?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:



Why do you qualify this?

On what grounds can you set that limit but not the limit of marriage = man + woman?

It was never spelled out anywhere that marriage is between men and women because it was so obvious that it didn't need spelling out.

ANd that's what the homo fraternity exploited - it was never spelled out, they figure, therefore it is not limited to men and women.

SO now, to your little species-centric arbitrary qualifier: it has never been spelled out any where that marriage is for humans only, so why do you put this limit on it? WHat is your incontrovertible grounding for this? Surely not tradition? Surely not the ordinary meaning of words? Surely not because you are, after all, afraid of the slippery slope?
Of course you aren't. But why then?
If you can't limit marriage to men and women, how can you limit it to humans only?

Tolerator
Quote:


Yeah you were saying gays arent normal though. They are normal they just have a different sexual preference like having green eyes. A minor variation in the basic human model.

Freediver
Quote:


Haha every problem? Feeling threatened freediver? Every religion is equally bad but you want your religion to be exempt from this. Sorry its not - its just as silly as all the others. Whatever your religion is (obviously some form of xtianity).

Freediver
Quote:


All religion are bad. All religions use their invisible entities as excuses for whatever they want to do. the holy books are like google in that you can find a verse to support any opinion you want because they are so vague they can mean anything. Just call it "interpretation".

I just point out that they are all equally as bad because you pick on 1 above the others and hypocritically dont admit your own religion is the same. you want to restrict muslim women wearing hijabs but dont want to stop xtians knocking on ppls doors and bothering them. Nuns also wear "hijabs" but not in australia since 1983 cause the pope said aussie nuns didnt have to wear them cause its too hot. In the rest of the world they do though.

Freediver
Quote:


Hahahahahaha! A lil projection from the king of twisting and turning and quoting out of context . . . .

Freediver
Quote:


They arent doing this in australia - unlike the xtians who are wanting to restrict ppls freedom. Xtian groups are lobbying parliament allt he time for ending abortion, banning gays rights, putting religion in schools, etc etc . . .. oh yeah and banning the head covering of muslims - how about the jews? Are they allowed to wear their lil hats to school?

Freediver
Quote:


Yeah. Howard brought religion back into schools. Gillard is stopping gay marriage. Newman REVERSED gay civil unions.

Supposedly me:
Quote:


Freediver
Quote:


I dont know where you got that quote from. Looks like something i said about gay marriage.

SOB

Quantum:
Quote:


When have i ever told anyone to shut up? You make a lot of accusations and you never back them up. Oh i did tell you to apologise or back up your claims though didnt i - dont see any apology or backing up anywhere - just more accusations.

Yadda
Quote:


Where am i not tolerant of the opinions of others? So if i debate or disagree im intolerant?

Yadda
Quote:


lol.

Quote:


Hmm lil bit of projection from yadda now. Show me where i have abused you not in self defense. you are the one that abuses as an argument.

Yadda
Quote:


i have never claimed to be liberal. Even with your redefinition of the term.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 5:30am:



Where does it say anywhere that marriage has to be based on consent? It is not written anywhere that it has to be between man and woman and it is not written anywhere that it has to be consensual.

SO on what basis are you introducing 'consent' as a requirement when 'man + woman' is not a requirement?

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 9:47am:


that doesnt say "marriage"it says "sexual preference" and in the context of marriage i expect he put it that way so you cant say the old mantra "then why cant animals get married" crapola.

SOB