Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print
Is Gillard the full quid? (Read 3642 times)
BlOoDy RiPpEr
Gold Member
*****
Offline


aussie-patriot.com

Posts: 2475
Sydney
Gender: male
Is Gillard the full quid?
Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am
 
Just read a headline to a news article.

JULIA Gillard insists now is the right time to go after the states on electricity price rises

Story continues...

PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has defended criticism that she was silent on the issue of rising electricity prices while Labor was in power in NSW and Queensland.
Ms Gillard has blamed power companies and state governments on big spikes in electricity prices.
She has demanded states find solutions to take pressure off household power prices by the end of the year or face market watchdogs with greater powers to enforce changes.
But on Wednesday the prime minister was asked why federal Labor had waited until now to speak up on the issue, despite years of the party being in power in NSW and Queensland.
"We've had a lot of technical work happening over the past few years on all of these issues but now is the moment to act," she told ABC Radio, adding that price determinations affecting power bills will be made next year.
"Now is the moment to strike."
Energy ministers had been working hard on the issue for some time, Ms Gillard said.
"But we are moving to a stage now where decisions will be made that affect power prices for the next five years.
Labor MP Nick Champion denied the prime minister was deflecting criticism from the carbon tax, saying her criticism of the states was not a politically partisan move either.
"There's a Labor government in my state (in South Australia) and they're being treated exactly the same as state governments everywhere else," Mr Champion told Sky News.
"It's really an issue about getting a national electricity market that works."
Liberal MP Josh Frydenberg says he can't understand why the Gillard government always seeks to blame someone else.
"Just the other day you had Wayne Swan out there blaming Gina Rinehart and Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest for our falling productivity," he said.
"Now you've got the prime minister out there blaming the states for the carbon tax and the rising electricity costs."
--------------------------------------------

Wasn't the whole point of the carbon tax to cause prices to rise so we will use less?
Back to top
 

host of the aussie-patriot.com site
WWW  
IP Logged
 
progressiveslol
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17029
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #1 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:25am
 
Its the right time because the carbon tax is just about to hit the people and labor have lost the big states.

Dont worry that she didnt say or do a thing while labor was in government in all states, were building up big debts, were not spending on electricity upgrades as needed.

Nope, just perfect timing.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
BlOoDy RiPpEr
Gold Member
*****
Offline


aussie-patriot.com

Posts: 2475
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #2 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:32am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:25am:
Its the right time because the carbon tax is just about to hit the people and labor have lost the big states.

Dont worry that she didnt say or do a thing while labor was in government in all states, were building up big debts, were not spending on electricity upgrades as needed.

Nope, just perfect timing.


But everyone knows this, hence i ask the question is she the full quid?
Back to top
 

host of the aussie-patriot.com site
WWW  
IP Logged
 
BlOoDy RiPpEr
Gold Member
*****
Offline


aussie-patriot.com

Posts: 2475
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #3 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:36am
 
Like come on,, if the average joe acted like this they would be committed and be forced to have psychiatric treatment.
Back to top
 

host of the aussie-patriot.com site
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 40772
Gender: male
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #4 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:59am
 

yes, she's the full quid.

Totally duplicitous, completely untrustworthy.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Spot of Borg
Gold Member
*****
Offline


WE ARE BORG

Posts: 26513
Australia
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #5 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:08am
 
She prolly got her electricity bill

SOB
Back to top
 

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a 
Moron!
- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope
WWW PoliticsAneReligion  
IP Logged
 
Doctor Jolly
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3808
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #6 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am
 
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:

...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Verge
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6329
Gender: male
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #7 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:17am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:

http://www.goswitch.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/graph.jpg


All except for the last one were locked in by a, yep, you guessed it, an ALP government.

ALP eating their own again.
Back to top
 

And why not, if you will permit me; why shouldn’t I, if you will permit me; spend my first week as prime minister, should that happen, on this, on your, country - Abbott with the Garma People Aug 13
 
IP Logged
 
Andrei.Hicks
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 23818
Carlsbad, CA
Gender: male
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #8 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:18am
 
Every utilities bill increase in Australia will be a battle for Gillard and Labor.

Fact is - she has trumpeted a policy which will deliberately and intentionally increase bills for Australian families.

To complain about bills that rise would make her look ridiculous.
She wants bills to rise - this has been my problem with her - she is completely detached from how tough those of us in ordinary families do it.
Back to top
 

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde
 
IP Logged
 
progressiveslol
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17029
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #9 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:42am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:

http://www.goswitch.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/graph.jpg

Why did gillard/labor do and say nothing for so long while labor were in government in NSW, putting the price of electricity up by 60%. Since 2006 by that graph.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
buzzanddidj
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14213
Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC
Gender: male
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #10 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:47am
 
This matter has NOTHING TO DO with any ( ... so called) carbon "tax" - which will flow on as an estimated, one off, 4% loading

The MASSIVE increases Gillard refers to DIDN'T begin in July, 2012




They have been GOING ON FOR A DECADE







The electricity industry suffers the conundrum of the lawyer - the more work it creates, the more it gets paid.

Even with the best of intentions, it is a daunting temptation for them to prolong the workload, just to keep the financial returns ticking over.

Coal prices, the carbon tax and the need for network upgrades are all minor villains in the piece being played out now in the public sphere. The chief culprit in the unfolding drama of Australia's spiralling power bills is a fatal flaw in the industry's structure.


That is, the power companies earn a regulated return on their asset base. Their revenue is calculated based on the value of their poles and wires. So the more money they spend, the more money they make. And the more money they make, the higher their dividend to state governments.



So when the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, muscled her Minister for Energy and Resources, Martin Ferguson, out of the running to deliver a keynote address to the Energy Policy Institute at lunchtime yesterday, she knew she was on to a sure thing.

The blame for rising prices is apportioned quite unequivocally by the Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal, even down to the last percentage point. Rising transmission and distribution costs are the chief culprits. And the chief beneficiaries of the big spending on network upgrades - the poles and the wires - are the power companies and the states.

A line item in the last NSW budget showed a rise of $250 million in dividends from the state's electricity transmission and distribution businesses. This 41 per cent increase in payments to Macquarie Street - up from $639 million to $901 million in only a year - comes at a time when power bills are poised to rise another 18 per cent.

Blaming the states though - like blaming the carbon tax - is too simplistic and political a ploy. This is the National Electricity Market after all, presided over by the Australian Energy Regulator. It is easy to argue that the states, or, in Victoria's case, the shareholders of the transmission and distribution companies, benefit from ''gold-plating'', or excessive spending on networks.

But the states alone are not to blame either. The chairman of the AER, Andrew Reeves, has made it clear the regulator needs greater powers to police the industry.


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/customers-caught-in-vicious-circuit-as-p...




Back to top
« Last Edit: Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:01pm by buzzanddidj »  

'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'


- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
 
IP Logged
 
Andrei.Hicks
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 23818
Carlsbad, CA
Gender: male
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #11 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:49am
 
But she'll still get absolutely belted in the polls for it Buzz.....

Great isn't it?

Haven't seen your polls lately?
Remember you used to post them every week?

What happened?
All went a bit wrong didn't it??

Wink
Back to top
 

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde
 
IP Logged
 
Doctor Jolly
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3808
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #12 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:55am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:42am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:

http://www.goswitch.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/graph.jpg

Why did gillard/labor do and say nothing for so long while labor were in government in NSW, putting the price of electricity up by 60%. Since 2006 by that graph.



Electricity was neglected by every state government, so there is no doubt a case for price increases to improve neglected infrastructure.

But now it has got quite out of hand. We are getting a "gold plated" electricity network, which is way over the cost/benefit curve.   Why?  Because NSW want to flog off the electricity assets, and  you wont get a good price unless its generating mega profits.  Mega profits from mugs like us.   

And before you make this partisan, I'm sure a NSW labor government would do the same.   NSW liberals are hiding behind the carbon tax to sneak these increases in. Gillard is right to call them out on it.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
progressiveslol
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17029
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #13 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:00pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:55am:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:42am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:

http://www.goswitch.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/graph.jpg

Why did gillard/labor do and say nothing for so long while labor were in government in NSW, putting the price of electricity up by 60%. Since 2006 by that graph.



Electricity was neglected by every state government, so there is no doubt a case for price increases to improve neglected infrastructure.

But now it has got quite out of hand. We are getting a "gold plated" electricity network, which is way over the cost/benefit curve.   Why?  Because NSW want to flog off the electricity assets, and  you wont get a good price unless its generating mega profits.  Mega profits from mugs like us.   

And before you make this partisan, I'm sure a NSW labor government would do the same.   NSW liberals are hiding behind the carbon tax to sneak these increases in. Gillard is right to call them out on it.


This has been happening since 2006. Thats 12 years of higher growth than normal. I am asking why. It isnt because it is all of a sudden out of hand. Looking at the graph tells me it has been out of hand from atleast 2008 - 2009.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Doctor Jolly
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3808
Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Reply #14 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:02pm
 
The fundamental problem here, is that gutless governments have handed over the power to "independent tribunals" like IPART to set pricing.

Who is IPART accountable to ?   No one. 

Why cant the government set pricing ?   because they dont want to cope the flack so they outsource decisions.

Government is supposed to govern.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print