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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17688 Gender:	Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed Reply #105 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 11:30am And the algorithm used by the Americans to calculate the correct historic temperatures is most likely the same algorithm used by BOM, Met etc.
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Reply #107 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:33pm

lee wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 11:30am:

And the algorithm used by the Americans to calculate the correct historic temperatures is most likely the same algorithm used by BOM, Met etc.

Have another look at the y axis, lee, it's global.

You would expect that they would be all using best practice. If the person who posts as Steven Goddard had a better methodology they would be using it. The point is that Goddard is not in the business of writing for an educated audience, he is in the business of seeding doubt.

We all know from our own experience that there are practices in all industries and disciplines that may look ill-conceived to the layman, but make perfect sense to those who have technical knowledge and experience in the field.

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Reply #108 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 8:32pm

Looks like it is time the GHCN data is looked at for fraud. Watch this space.

Looks to be enough already as a starting point. Shouldn't take too long for Goddard to find the fraud now that he has the experience and I believe has been motivated enough to find it.

GHCN fraud in google will get your taste buds watering in anticipation for more to come.

I like this one as a starting point just for ammusment

GHCN Antarctic, 8X Actual Trend – Uses Single Warmest Station

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/ghcn-antarctic-warming-eight-times-a...

I can remember Goddard starting out with little tid bits like these, until he figured out how to crack the nut and expose the fraud.

I look forward to it.

Data Tampering: GISS Caught Red-Handed Manipulating Data To Produce Arctic Climate History Revision

http://notrickszone.com/2012/03/01/data-tamperin-giss-caught-red-handed-manipula...

At least it did in Australia, where Willis Eschenbach took a look at the raw data to determine what effect the “homogenization” process at the NOAA’s Global Historical Climate Network had on the temperature readings. Like alchemists of old, it transformed decades-long declines in temperature into rapid upward spikes completely unsupported by any of the underlying data

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/09/east-anglia-homogenization-falsified-decli...

GHCN for ya

Looks like your on to a winner with this GHCN data there MOTR

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Reply #109 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 8:22am

I guess BOM must be in on the conspiracy as well, progs.

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/hqsites/site_data.cgi?variable=meanT&area=...

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Reply #110 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 9:58am

MOTR wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:33pm:

Have another look at the y axis, lee, it's global.

Have a look at the sites I posted - US Government. They have changed the data if you look at the links.

So if NOOA have to adjust their temperatures and if BOM uses the same algorithm that requires NOOA to adjust its data; what do you think should be happening to Australia's historical data?

Does it then matter if the graph shows Global, if the algorithm for each local data set, from which the global figure is derived, shows errors in the data set?

And sorry you can't use the Darwin data set. The site has moved and there are no corrections available.

For other info on Darwin-

http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/darwinfiddle25jun12.pdf

http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=302

BOM can't even hide behind the Glaisher Screen strawman for its homogenisation of Darwin records.

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Reply #111 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 9:57pm

lee wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 9:58am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:33pm:

Have another look at the y axis, lee, it's global.

Have a look at the sites I posted - US Government. They have changed the data if you look at the links.

So if NOOA have to adjust their temperatures and if BOM uses the same algorithm that requires NOOA to adjust its data; what do you think should be happening to Australia's historical data?

Does it then matter if the graph shows Global, if the algorithm for each local data set, from which the global figure is derived, shows errors in the data set?

And sorry you can't use the Darwin data set. The site has moved and there are no corrections available.

For other info on Darwin-

http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/darwinfiddle25jun12.pdf

http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=302

BOM can't even hide behind the Glaisher Screen strawman for its homogenisation of Darwin records.

Its all a sick mess of cool the past and warm the present, with or without raw data.

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Reply #113 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:40am

lee wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 9:58am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:33pm:

Have another look at the y axis, lee, it's global.

Have a look at the sites I posted - US Government. They have changed the data if you look at the links.

So if NOOA have to adjust their temperatures and if BOM uses the same algorithm that requires NOOA to adjust its data; what do you think should be happening to Australia's historical data?

Does it then matter if the graph shows Global, if the algorithm for each local data set, from which the global figure is derived, shows errors in the data set?

And sorry you can't use the Darwin data set. The site has moved and there are no corrections available.

For other info on Darwin-

http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/darwinfiddle25jun12.pdf

http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=302

BOM can't even hide behind the Glaisher Screen strawman for its homogenisation of Darwin records.

You're missing the point, lee. If you don't like the adjusted data use the raw data.

At a global scale you can clearly see the adjusted and raw versions of the GHCN data are not substantially different. But you don't want to focus on the overall picture, you want to cherry pick the sites that show a warming adjustment you don't like.

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Reply #114 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:43am

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 9:57pm:

lee wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 9:58am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:33pm:

Have another look at the y axis, lee, it's global.

Have a look at the sites I posted - US Government. They have changed the data if you look at the links.

So if NOOA have to adjust their temperatures and if BOM uses the same algorithm that requires NOOA to adjust its data; what do you think should be happening to Australia's historical data?

Does it then matter if the graph shows Global, if the algorithm for each local data set, from which the global figure is derived, shows errors in the data set?

And sorry you can't use the Darwin data set. The site has moved and there are no corrections available.

For other info on Darwin-

http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/darwinfiddle25jun12.pdf

http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=302

BOM can't even hide behind the Glaisher Screen strawman for its homogenisation of Darwin records.

Its all a sick mess of cool the past and warm the present, with or without raw data.

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Reply #115 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:27am

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:40am:

You're missing the point, lee. If you don't like the adjusted data use the raw data.

You are missing the point even their RAW data has zombie stations that are deleted but still being credited with data.

And yesterday they were talking about how NCDC State of the Climate for the various cities in the States was giving the same values for TMax, Tmin and Tavg.

You have gotta love that. Historical (hysterical?) data is now seamlessly homogenised across all data sets.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed Reply #116 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 12:51am GISS asks itself.... Do you think anyone will notice I don't think we should release this graph
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Reply #117 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:01am

lee wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:27am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:40am:

You're missing the point, lee. If you don't like the adjusted data use the raw data.

You are missing the point even their RAW data has zombie stations that are deleted but still being credited with data.

And yesterday they were talking about how NCDC State of the Climate for the various cities in the States was giving the same values for TMax, Tmin and Tavg.

You have gotta love that. Historical (hysterical?) data is now seamlessly homogenised across all data sets.

Infilling is one of the adjustments we are talking about.

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Reply #118 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:36am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

Infilling is one of the adjustments we are talking about.

So we take some readings from 10, 20 or more kilometres away, average them and then some how we have data.

When the temperature1 km away, radially, can be different from here, how can that be interpreted as being the temperature.

Why not simply drop those stations not reporting,drop zombie stations. The pundits say if they did that there would be little difference. The question then is why do they do it?

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Reply #119 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 1:28pm

lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

Infilling is one of the adjustments we are talking about.

So we take some readings from 10, 20 or more kilometres away, average them and then some how we have data.

When the temperature1 km away, radially, can be different from here, how can that be interpreted as being the temperature.

Why not simply drop those stations not reporting,drop zombie stations. The pundits say if they did that there would be little difference. The question then is why do they do it?

They do it to because they attempt to provide an average temperature for the US in absolute terms, not an anomaly. It does this by ensuring every month has an average for each of its 1218 stations. In an ideal world these stations never change. Unfortunately, stations do become defunct overtime, so USHCN infill by providing an estimate from neighbouring stations.

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