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Reply #15 - Aug 20th, 2012 at 8:28am
 
July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC


I’ve noticed there’s a lot of frenetic tweeting and re-tweeting of this “sound bite” sized statement from this Climate Central piece by Andrew Freedman.


July was the fourth-warmest such month on record globally, and the 329th consecutive month with a global-average surface temperature above the 20th-century average, according to an analysis released Wednesday by the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

It should be noted that Climate Central is funded for the sole purpose of spreading worrisome climate missives. Yes it was a hot July in the USA too, approximately as hot as July 1936 comparing within he USHCN, No debate there. It is also possibly slightly cooler if you compare to the new state of the art Climate Reference Network.

But, those comparisons aside, here’s what Climate Central’s Andrew Freedman and NOAA/NCDC won’t show you when discussing the surface temperature record:


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It isn’t hard to stay above the average temperature value when your adjustments outpace the temperature itself. There’s about 0.45°C of temperature rise in the adjustments since about 1940.

Since I know some people (and you know who you are) won’t believe the graph above created by taking the final adjusted USHCN data used for public statements and subtracting the raw data straight from the weather station observers to show the magnitude of adjustments. So, I’ll put up the NCDC graph, that they provided here:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/ushcn/ts.ushcn_anom25_diffs_urb-ra...

But they no longer update it, nor provide an equivalent for USHCN2 (as shown above), because well, it just doesn’t look so good.

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As discussed in: Warming in the USHCN is mainly an artifact of adjustments on April,13th of this year, this graph shows that when you compare the US surface temperature record to an hourly dataset (ISH ) that doesn’t require a cartload of adjustments in the first place, and applies a population growth factor (as a proxy for UHI) all of the sudden, the trend doesn’t look so hot. The graph was prepared by Dr. Roy Spencer.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/ushcn-vs-crutem3-ishpdat.png
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There’s quite an offset in 2012, about 0.7°C between Dr. Spencer’s ISH PDAT and USHCN/CRU. It should be noted that CRU uses the USHCN data in their data, so it isn’t any surprise to find no divergence between those.

Similar, but not all, of the adjustments are applied to the GHCN, used to derive the global surface temperature average. That data is also managed by NCDC.

Now of course many will argue that the adjustments are necessary to correct the data, which has all sorts of problems with inhomogenity, time of observation, siting, missing data, etc. But, none of that negates this statement:  July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC

In fact, since the positive adjustments clearly go back to about 1940, it would be accurate to say that: July was also the 864th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC.

Dr Spencer concluded in his essay Warming in the USHCN is mainly an artifact of adjustments :


And I must admit that those adjustments constituting virtually all of the warming signal in the last 40 years is disconcerting. When “global warming” only shows up after the data are adjusted, one can understand why so many people are suspicious of the adjustments.

To counter all the Twitter madness out there over that “329th consecutive month of above normal temperature”, I suggest that WUWT readers tweet back to the same people that it is also the 329th or 864th consecutive month (your choice) of upwards adjustments to the U.S. temperature record.

Here’s the shortlink to make it easy for you:

http://wp.me/p7y4l-i66

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/19/july-was-also-the-329th-consecutive-month-...
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Reply #16 - Aug 20th, 2012 at 9:20am
 
It would seem to me that if a cooling bias existed in the past, which seems to be universally accepted, current temperatures would need to be adjusted upwards to maintain relativity. Without these adjustments historical comparisons would be useless or purposely misleading. The consecutive number of months adjusted upwards is a red herring.

Watch the author of this propaganda piece give themselves up.

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Now of course many will argue that the adjustments are necessary to correct the data, which has all sorts of problems with inhomogenity, time of observation, siting, missing data, etc. But, none of that negates this statement:  July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC


So the question remains is there a legitimate need for these adjustments. Now until you can refer me to a peer review paper that deals specifically with these adjustments, pointing to the consecutive number of months is just foolish.
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Reply #17 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 7:30pm
 
Nice graph you show here.
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Reply #18 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 6:00pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 20th, 2012 at 9:20am:
It would seem to me that if a cooling bias existed in the past, which seems to be universally accepted, current temperatures would need to be adjusted upwards to maintain relativity. Without these adjustments historical comparisons would be useless or purposely misleading. The consecutive number of months adjusted upwards is a red herring.

Watch the author of this propaganda piece give themselves up.

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Now of course many will argue that the adjustments are necessary to correct the data, which has all sorts of problems with inhomogenity, time of observation, siting, missing data, etc. But, none of that negates this statement:  July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC


So the question remains is there a legitimate need for these adjustments. Now until you can refer me to a peer review paper that deals specifically with these adjustments, pointing to the consecutive number of months is just foolish.


Foolish huh...you might go and have a look at the emails hacked in 2009...very interesting reading. 
"It was announced Thursday afternoon that computer hackers had obtained 160 megabytes of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in England. Those e-mails involved communication among many scientific researchers and policy advocates with similar ideological positions all across the world. Those purported authorities were brazenly discussing the destruction and hiding of data that did not support global-warming claims."
So in what category is systematic destruction and concealment of data fit into...do these also count as adjustments?
You see the simple fact is that if you treat data in such a fashion to conform to a predetermined finding, it's not called adjustment...it's called fraud. So how can there be proper peer review where data is controlled/deleted/hidden to facilitate a finding not otherwise supported.
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Reply #19 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 6:20pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
This needs its own thread to track what is going on with temp data manipulation. An new area of climate change statistics that is relied upon but not well known(to the layperson) or investigated(scientifically). WUWT, stevengoddard and others are trying to get it right.

I will start with this gem, just to give you an idea of how bad the manipulation is.


USHCN makes a huge TOBS adjustment in Ohio between 1979 and 1988, as seen below

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_152-aug-07-18-20.j...

The justification for this is that they claim people in Ohio switched from reading temperatures in the afternoon, to reading them in the morning. That would theoretically push measured temperatures progressively down from 1979 to 1988.

The Ohio raw data does not provide any support for the TOBS theory.  In the middle of a long term cooling trend, measured temperatures rose very quickly from 1979 to 1988  - shown in red below. In fact, the thermometers reported the steepest temperature rise in Ohio history.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-51.j...

But it gets worse. The final adjustments are almost three degrees

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-38.j...

By the time USHCN is done adjusting, they have created a warming trend – which 127 years of Ohio thermometers never saw.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-41.j...

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/ushcn-madness-in-ohio/

Yeah...right.

Meanwhile, on Planet Earth:

'Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded on August 26

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environment/global-warming/Arctic-sea-ice-shrinks-to-lowest-extent-ever-recorded-on-August-26/articleshow/15880401.cms
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Reply #20 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:39pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
This needs its own thread to track what is going on with temp data manipulation. An new area of climate change statistics that is relied upon but not well known(to the layperson) or investigated(scientifically). WUWT, stevengoddard and others are trying to get it right.

I will start with this gem, just to give you an idea of how bad the manipulation is.


USHCN makes a huge TOBS adjustment in Ohio between 1979 and 1988, as seen below

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_152-aug-07-18-20.j...

The justification for this is that they claim people in Ohio switched from reading temperatures in the afternoon, to reading them in the morning. That would theoretically push measured temperatures progressively down from 1979 to 1988.

The Ohio raw data does not provide any support for the TOBS theory.  In the middle of a long term cooling trend, measured temperatures rose very quickly from 1979 to 1988  - shown in red below. In fact, the thermometers reported the steepest temperature rise in Ohio history.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-51.j...

But it gets worse. The final adjustments are almost three degrees

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-38.j...

By the time USHCN is done adjusting, they have created a warming trend – which 127 years of Ohio thermometers never saw.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-41.j...

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/ushcn-madness-in-ohio/

Yeah...right.

Meanwhile, on Planet Earth:

'Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded on August 26

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environment/global-warming/Arctic-sea-ice-shrinks-to-lowest-extent-ever-recorded-on-August-26/articleshow/15880401.cms

Not according to IMS

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Reply #21 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:53pm
 
So now you want to talk about total ice. Is that right, progs? It doesn't matter how you measure it, the earth is warming and the Arctic is melting.
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Reply #22 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:55pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:53pm:
So now you want to talk about ice volume. Is that right, progs? It doesn't matter how you measure it, the Arctic is melting.

Hate to break it to you but it melts every year.
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Reply #23 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:58pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:55pm:
MOTR wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:53pm:
So now you want to talk about ice volume. Is that right, progs? It doesn't matter how you measure it, the Arctic is melting.

Hate to break it to you but it melts every year.


No s#it, Sherlock. Who do you think is going to fall for that sort of logic?

Grow up, sunshine.
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Reply #24 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:01pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:58pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:55pm:
MOTR wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:53pm:
So now you want to talk about ice volume. Is that right, progs? It doesn't matter how you measure it, the Arctic is melting.

Hate to break it to you but it melts every year.


No s#it, Sherlock. Who do you think is going to fall for that sort of logic?

Grow up, sunshine.

It needed to be said off the back of your statement It doesn't matter how you measure it, the Arctic is melting
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Reply #25 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:04pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:39pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
This needs its own thread to track what is going on with temp data manipulation. An new area of climate change statistics that is relied upon but not well known(to the layperson) or investigated(scientifically). WUWT, stevengoddard and others are trying to get it right.

I will start with this gem, just to give you an idea of how bad the manipulation is.


USHCN makes a huge TOBS adjustment in Ohio between 1979 and 1988, as seen below

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_152-aug-07-18-20.j...

The justification for this is that they claim people in Ohio switched from reading temperatures in the afternoon, to reading them in the morning. That would theoretically push measured temperatures progressively down from 1979 to 1988.

The Ohio raw data does not provide any support for the TOBS theory.  In the middle of a long term cooling trend, measured temperatures rose very quickly from 1979 to 1988  - shown in red below. In fact, the thermometers reported the steepest temperature rise in Ohio history.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-51.j...

But it gets worse. The final adjustments are almost three degrees

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-38.j...

By the time USHCN is done adjusting, they have created a warming trend – which 127 years of Ohio thermometers never saw.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-41.j...

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/ushcn-madness-in-ohio/

Yeah...right.

Meanwhile, on Planet Earth:

'Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded on August 26

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environment/global-warming/Arctic-sea-ice-shrinks-to-lowest-extent-ever-recorded-on-August-26/articleshow/15880401.cms

Not according to IMS

errrr....both of those graphs show 2012 at unprecidented lows for the equivalent time of year.

And - as you have already been told - Arctic sea ice it at its lowest level ever measured.

Still in denial?
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Reply #26 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:06pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 20th, 2012 at 8:28am:
July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC
blah...blah...blah...

So why is the Arctic melting?

Should we blame the Carbon Tax?
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Reply #27 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:07pm
 
Or urban heat islands?
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Reply #28 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:08pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:39pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
This needs its own thread to track what is going on with temp data manipulation. An new area of climate change statistics that is relied upon but not well known(to the layperson) or investigated(scientifically). WUWT, stevengoddard and others are trying to get it right.

I will start with this gem, just to give you an idea of how bad the manipulation is.


USHCN makes a huge TOBS adjustment in Ohio between 1979 and 1988, as seen below

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_152-aug-07-18-20.j...

The justification for this is that they claim people in Ohio switched from reading temperatures in the afternoon, to reading them in the morning. That would theoretically push measured temperatures progressively down from 1979 to 1988.

The Ohio raw data does not provide any support for the TOBS theory.  In the middle of a long term cooling trend, measured temperatures rose very quickly from 1979 to 1988  - shown in red below. In fact, the thermometers reported the steepest temperature rise in Ohio history.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-51.j...

But it gets worse. The final adjustments are almost three degrees

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-38.j...

By the time USHCN is done adjusting, they have created a warming trend – which 127 years of Ohio thermometers never saw.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_153-aug-07-18-41.j...

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/ushcn-madness-in-ohio/

Yeah...right.

Meanwhile, on Planet Earth:

'Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded on August 26

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environment/global-warming/Arctic-sea-ice-shrinks-to-lowest-extent-ever-recorded-on-August-26/articleshow/15880401.cms

Not according to IMS

errrr....both of those graphs show 2012 at unprecidented lows for the equivalent time of year.

And - as you have already been told - Arctic sea ice it at its lowest level ever measured.

Still in denial?

I dont see on these 2 graphs where it is at its lowest. It lowest is not until the end of the melt season.

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Reply #29 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:09pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 9:06pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 20th, 2012 at 8:28am:
July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC
blah...blah...blah...

So why is the Arctic melting?

Should we blame the Carbon Tax?

Summer. It happens every year.
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