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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #150 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:09am:

RATES OF CHANGE-HERE WE GO AGAIN...

I posted a graph re rates of change yesterday. The graph was from the BBC. They wouldn't lie to us would they?

The IPCC says 30 years for Climate, shorter is weather. There are two 30 year periods in the graph.

If we are talking historical time frames over a thousand odd years those two periods would probably show as one. That would definitely be the case over an 11,000 year time frame unless you had a loooooong piece of paper.

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #151 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

You are sounding more and more like an ideological nutter.

This, coming from someone who pulled "less than 1%" out of thin air (or perhaps it's thick, with CO2).

Someone who also thinks that 134 years of temperature records is enough to understand the planet's 4.5 billion year history.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your criticism seriously.

RATES OF CHANGE-HERE WE GO AGAIN...

134 years of temperature records, DRAH.

Not good enough.

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #152 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

You are sounding more and more like an ideological nutter.

This, coming from someone who pulled "less than 1%" out of thin air (or perhaps it's thick, with CO2).

Someone who also thinks that 134 years of temperature records is enough to understand the planet's 4.5 billion year history.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your criticism seriously.

RATES OF CHANGE-HERE WE GO AGAIN...

134 years of temperature records, DRAH.

Not good enough.

What are you talking about, greggery. Are you saying there is absolutely nothing we can learn from paleo climatology.

What makes you so much more of an expert than the scientific community. You do realise there are no national or major scientific institutions anywhere in the world that dispute the theory of anthropogenic climate change. Not one.

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #153 - Jul 7^th, 2014 at 12:09am

[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1344392462/151#151 date=1404533303][quote author=Deathridesahorse link=1344392462/148#148 date=1404497357][quote author=greggerypeccary link=1344392462/127#127 date=1404456830][quote author=MOTR link=1344392462/124#124 date=1404455575]

You are sounding more and more like an ideological nutter.

[/quote]

This, coming from someone who pulled[i] "less than 1%"[/i] out of thin air (or perhaps it's thick, with CO2).

Someone who also thinks that 134 years of temperature records is enough to understand the planet's 4.5 billion year history.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your criticism seriously.

[/quote]
[color=#ff0000][b]RATES OF CHANGE[/b]-HERE WE GO AGAIN...[/color] ::)[/quote]

134 years of temperature records, DRAH.

Not good enough.[/quote]
[b]What is not good enough?[/b] Be specific now- just pretend there's a jury or your schtick counts or whatever yous good blokes do when the job is apparently not a laughing matter!

:D :D

But we all know you will be vague and try to convince us all black is white because FUD is all you were taught as a profession!

[color=#ff0000]!! "..Play ball :D :D :D :)"...[/color]

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Reply #154 - Jul 7^th, 2014 at 12:10am

[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1344392462/151#151 date=1404533303][quote author=Deathridesahorse link=1344392462/148#148 date=1404497357][quote author=greggerypeccary link=1344392462/127#127 date=1404456830][quote author=MOTR link=1344392462/124#124 date=1404455575]

You are sounding more and more like an ideological nutter.

[/quote]

This, coming from someone who pulled[i] "less than 1%"[/i] out of thin air (or perhaps it's thick, with CO2).

Someone who also thinks that 134 years of temperature records is enough to understand the planet's 4.5 billion year history.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your criticism seriously.

[/quote]
[color=#ff0000][b]RATES OF CHANGE[/b]-HERE WE GO AGAIN...[/color] ::)[/quote]

134 years of temperature records, DRAH.

Not good enough.[/quote]
[b]What is not good enough?[/b] Be specific now- just pretend there's a jury or your schtick counts or whatever yous good blokes do when the job is apparently not a laughing matter!

:D :D

But we all know you will be vague and try to convince us all black is white because FUD is all you were taught as a profession!

[color=#ff0000]!! "..Play ball :D :D :D :)"...[/color]

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #155 - Jul 7^th, 2014 at 12:14am

MOTR wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

You are sounding more and more like an ideological nutter.

This, coming from someone who pulled "less than 1%" out of thin air (or perhaps it's thick, with CO2).

Someone who also thinks that 134 years of temperature records is enough to understand the planet's 4.5 billion year history.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your criticism seriously.

RATES OF CHANGE-HERE WE GO AGAIN...

134 years of temperature records, DRAH.

Not good enough.

What are you talking about, greggery. Are you saying there is absolutely nothing we can learn from paleo climatology.

What makes you so much more of an expert than the scientific community. You do realise there are no national or major scientific institutions anywhere in the world that dispute the theory ofou anthropogenic climate change. Not one.

NO NO, greg is just getting his jollies of by reminding us all that his professional training in the art of FUD makes him the ultimate and unjailable pedo and that there is nothing any of us can do about it!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #156 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:13pm

Watch this space

Quick Summary Of NCDC Data Tampering Forensics

It may not be obvious to everyone yet, but this morning’s TOBS discovery is huge
.

I need to run now, but here is a quick summary of things I can prove so far about the US temperature record.
◾Until 1999 NASA said the US was on a long term cooling trend
◾Until 1989 NOAA said there was no long term warming in the US
◾Sometime after 2000, NOAA made a large downwards shift in the absolute baseline temperature. This is probably why Nick and Zeke keep insisting on the use of anomalies, as it hides the shift.
◾Temperatures are being adjusted an average of about 1.5F relative to the 1930s
◾The raw data does not support the validity of a TOBS adjustment
◾NOAA is doing something in their conversion from daily data to monthly data to create a bias which selectively cools the past – which in turn creates the appearance that TOBS is valid.
◾Since 1990, almost all warming is due to infilling of non-existent temperature data.

And to top it all off, the UHI adjustment is much too small. The US is on a long term cooling trend for over 90 years, and used to be hotter. NCDC US temperature graphs do not even remotely resemble the actual US climate, and actually reverse the trend.

I will write this up in more detail later.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/quick-summary-of-ncdc-data-tamperi...

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #157 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:21pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 7^th, 2014 at 12:14am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

You are sounding more and more like an ideological nutter.

This, coming from someone who pulled "less than 1%" out of thin air (or perhaps it's thick, with CO2).

Someone who also thinks that 134 years of temperature records is enough to understand the planet's 4.5 billion year history.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your criticism seriously.

RATES OF CHANGE-HERE WE GO AGAIN...

134 years of temperature records, DRAH.

Not good enough.

What are you talking about, greggery. Are you saying there is absolutely nothing we can learn from paleo climatology.

What makes you so much more of an expert than the scientific community. You do realise there are no national or major scientific institutions anywhere in the world that dispute the theory ofou anthropogenic climate change. Not one.

NO NO, greg is just getting his jollies of by reminding us all that his professional training in the art of FUD makes him the ultimate and unjailable pedo and that there is nothing any of us can do about it!

Take a look at what these alarmists resort to:

" ... unjailable pedo ... "

Calling other forum members "pedos", just because they show some skepticism towards the AGW theory.

Mods, take note. We don't need people like this in the forum (or our community).

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #158 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:23pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

You are sounding more and more like an ideological nutter.

This, coming from someone who pulled "less than 1%" out of thin air (or perhaps it's thick, with CO2).

Someone who also thinks that 134 years of temperature records is enough to understand the planet's 4.5 billion year history.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your criticism seriously.

RATES OF CHANGE-HERE WE GO AGAIN...

134 years of temperature records, DRAH.

Not good enough.

What are you talking about, greggery. Are you saying there is absolutely nothing we can learn from paleo climatology.

What makes you so much more of an expert than the scientific community. You do realise there are no national or major scientific institutions anywhere in the world that dispute the theory of anthropogenic climate change. Not one.

This is what I'm saying:

134 years of temperature records, DRAH. Not good enough.

Which bit are you struggling to understand?

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #159 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:41pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:13pm:

Watch this space

Quick Summary Of NCDC Data Tampering Forensics

It may not be obvious to everyone yet, but this morning’s TOBS discovery is huge
.

I need to run now, but here is a quick summary of things I can prove so far about the US temperature record.
◾Until 1999 NASA said the US was on a long term cooling trend
◾Until 1989 NOAA said there was no long term warming in the US
◾Sometime after 2000, NOAA made a large downwards shift in the absolute baseline temperature. This is probably why Nick and Zeke keep insisting on the use of anomalies, as it hides the shift.
◾Temperatures are being adjusted an average of about 1.5F relative to the 1930s
◾The raw data does not support the validity of a TOBS adjustment
◾NOAA is doing something in their conversion from daily data to monthly data to create a bias which selectively cools the past – which in turn creates the appearance that TOBS is valid.
◾Since 1990, almost all warming is due to infilling of non-existent temperature data.

And to top it all off, the UHI adjustment is much too small. The US is on a long term cooling trend for over 90 years, and used to be hotter. NCDC US temperature graphs do not even remotely resemble the actual US climate, and actually reverse the trend.

I will write this up in more detail later.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/quick-summary-of-ncdc-data-tamperi...

BOM temps don't make sense. Well they do, there is a word for it. You know the word. You know whats going on here. You are not that stupid.

Wow, look at those BOM adjustments – trends up by two degrees C!

Carnarvon adjustments don’t make sense

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/07/wow-look-at-those-bom-adjustments-trends-up-by-...

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Reply #162 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 7:27am

The end game, the holy grail of why the data temps are adjusted the way they are

Adjusting temperatures in correlation with co2 rise. Co2 rises and temperature follows

Oops, correlation that is too convenient to be ignored

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/proof-that-us-warming-is-mann-made...

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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #163 - Aug 24^th, 2014 at 7:09am

Hello Australian BOM

Australian Met Office Accused Of Manipulating Temperature Records

The [Australian] Bureau of Meteorology has been accused of manipulating historic temperature records to fit a predetermined view of global warming. Researcher Jennifer Marohasy claims the adjusted records resemble “propaganda” rather than science.

Dr Marohasy has analysed the raw data from dozens of locations across Australia and matched it against the new data used by BOM showing that temperatures were progressively warming. In many cases, Dr Marohasy said, temperature trends had changed from slight cooling to dramatic warming over 100 years. –Graham Lloyd, The Australian, 23 August 2014

The escalating row goes to heart of the climate change debate — in particular, whether computer models are better than real data and whether temperature records are being manipulated in a bid to make each year hotter than the last. Marohasy’s research has put her in dispute with BoM over a paper she published with John Abbot at Central Queensland University in the journal Atmospheric Research concerning the best data to use for rainfall forecasting. BoM challenged the findings of the Marohasy-Abbot paper, but the international journal rejected the BoM rebuttal, which had been prepared by some of the bureau’s top scientists. This has led to an escalating dispute over the way in which Australia’s historical temperature records are “improved” through homogenisation, which is proving more difficult to resolve. –Graham Lloyd, The Australian, 23 August 2014

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One of the most extreme examples is a thermometer station in Amberley, Queensland where a cooling trend in minima of 1C per century has been homogenized and become a warming trend of 2.5C per century. This is a station at an airforce base that has no recorded move since 1941, nor had a change in instrumentation. It is a well-maintained site near a perimeter fence, yet the homogenisation process produces a remarkable transformation of the original records, and rather begs the question of how accurately we know Australian trends at all when the thermometers are seemingly so bad at recording the real temperature of an area. Ken Stewart was the first to notice this anomaly and many others when he compared the raw data to the new, adjusted ACORN data set. Jennifer Marohasy picked it up, and investigated it and 30 or so other stations. In Rutherglen in Victoria, a cooling trend of -0.35C became a warming trend of +1.73C. She raised her concerns (repeatedly) with Minister Greg Hunt.

more
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/23/australian-met-office-accused-of-manipulat...

Check out this guys raw data taken back in the day you could get it
http://www.addinall.net/climate/ausclimate/100yrural/

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Reply #164 - Aug 24^th, 2014 at 12:14pm

What I found interesting-

'One of the most extreme examples is a thermometer station in Amberley, Queensland where a cooling trend in minima of 1C per century has been homogenized and become a warming trend of 2.5C per century. This is a station at an airforce base that has no recorded move since 1941, nor had a change in instrumentation. It is a well-maintained site near a perimeter fence,

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