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Re: Temperature data manipulation exposed
Reply #30 - Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:14pm

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC
blah...blah...blah...

So why is the Arctic melting?

Should we blame the Carbon Tax?

Summer. It happens every year.

So why has it melted more this summer than any time in recorded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the first decade of the 2000s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1990s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1980s than any time in previous recoded history?

Can you see a pattern here?

Can you explain it?

Can you explain it in a way that demonstrates that virtually every scientist on the planet's explanation for it is wrong?

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Reply #31 - Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:22pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC
blah...blah...blah...

So why is the Arctic melting?

Should we blame the Carbon Tax?

Summer. It happens every year.

So why has it melted more this summer than any time in recorded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the first decade of the 2000s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1990s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1980s than any time in previous recoded history?

Can you see a pattern here?

Can you explain it?

Can you explain it in a way that demonstrates that virtually every scientist on the planet's explanation for it is wrong?

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries_thumb...

jestreams further north and a major storm low pressure cell breaking up the ice recently. Not sure who to believe though on the graphs. Mine shows no big deal yet, the other shows a pretty major melt.

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Reply #32 - Aug 29^th, 2012 at 9:47am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC
blah...blah...blah...

So why is the Arctic melting?

Should we blame the Carbon Tax?

Summer. It happens every year.

So why has it melted more this summer than any time in recorded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the first decade of the 2000s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1990s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1980s than any time in previous recoded history?

Can you see a pattern here?

Can you explain it?

Can you explain it in a way that demonstrates that virtually every scientist on the planet's explanation for it is wrong?

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries_thumb...

Why was it sunny and hot yesterday and raining and cold today?

When you talk about "anytime in previous recorded history" your really only talking about a couple of decades at most of recording on a scale that gives you an idea of the total mass of ice. So really a minute time-frame in the scheme of things and tells you little of what the actual true variabilty is. Also during this time you have increases in the number of measurements taken, how those measurements are taken and the equipment used to take those measurements. This excludes any climatic variability. So you should have much better or more accurate data, barring manipulation as evidenced by the climategate emails. Earlier measurements would have large margins of error and later would have smaller margins of error of the extent and total of ice only...not to actual total mass and extent, so you're not comparing apples with apples. So how much of this shrinkage is to do with the increase in accuracy of the data coupled with natural variability?
As for temperature it would probably be a safe bet that temperature "adjustments" and climate "warming" would be very well correlated.

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Reply #33 - Aug 29^th, 2012 at 5:55pm

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC
blah...blah...blah...

So why is the Arctic melting?

Should we blame the Carbon Tax?

Summer. It happens every year.

So why has it melted more this summer than any time in recorded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the first decade of the 2000s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1990s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1980s than any time in previous recoded history?

Can you see a pattern here?

Can you explain it?

Can you explain it in a way that demonstrates that virtually every scientist on the planet's explanation for it is wrong?

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries_thumb...

jestreams further north and a major storm low pressure cell breaking up the ice recently. Not sure who to believe though on the graphs. Mine shows no big deal yet, the other shows a pretty major melt.

THe graphs you posted were not specific to the Arctic ice cap - yet they did still show that the Total IMS Sea and Lake Ice extent coverage was lower in 2012 than any other year on that graph at mid August. Entirely consistent with the NSIDC graph

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Reply #34 - Aug 29^th, 2012 at 5:59pm

namnugenot wrote on Aug 29^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

July was also the 329th consecutive month of positive upwards adjustment to the U.S. temperature record by NOAA/NCDC
blah...blah...blah...

So why is the Arctic melting?

Should we blame the Carbon Tax?

Summer. It happens every year.

So why has it melted more this summer than any time in recorded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the first decade of the 2000s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1990s than any time in previous recoded history?

Why was the summer Arctic melting more during the 1980s than any time in previous recoded history?

Can you see a pattern here?

Can you explain it?

Can you explain it in a way that demonstrates that virtually every scientist on the planet's explanation for it is wrong?

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries_thumb...

Why was it sunny and hot yesterday and raining and cold today?

When you talk about "anytime in previous recorded history" your really only talking about a couple of decades at most of recording on a scale that gives you an idea of the total mass of ice. So really a minute time-frame in the scheme of things and tells you little of what the actual true variabilty is. Also during this time you have increases in the number of measurements taken, how those measurements are taken and the equipment used to take those measurements. This excludes any climatic variability. So you should have much better or more accurate data, barring manipulation as evidenced by the climategate emails. Earlier measurements would have large margins of error and later would have smaller margins of error of the extent and total of ice only...not to actual total mass and extent, so you're not comparing apples with apples. So how much of this shrinkage is to do with the increase in accuracy of the data coupled with natural variability?
As for temperature it would probably be a safe bet that temperature "adjustments" and climate "warming" would be very well correlated.

Are you denying that the summer Arctic melt in 2012 is greater than any time in previous recoded history?

And could you show us this "manipulation as evidenced by the climategate emails"?
Or is your post actually a satirical take on some of the more moronic deniers? If so - good job.

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Reply #36 - May 13^th, 2013 at 7:23pm

Thought it about time some more of the climate fraud data be put on here.

Met Office Hadley Centre and Climatic Research Unit HadCRUT4 and CRUTEM4 Temperature Data Sets Adjusted/Corrected/Updated… Can You Guess The Impact?

Cooling the past, warming the present, is all these fraudsters have left with the northern hemisphere cooling.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/12/met-office-hadley-centre-and-climatic-rese...

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Reply #37 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 9:48pm

progressiveslol wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

Thought it about time some more of the climate fraud data be put on here.

Met Office Hadley Centre and Climatic Research Unit HadCRUT4 and CRUTEM4 Temperature Data Sets Adjusted/Corrected/Updated… Can You Guess The Impact?

Cooling the past, warming the present, is all these fraudsters have left with the northern hemisphere cooling.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/12/met-office-hadley-centre-and-climatic-rese...

Maybe the retired radio presenter (Watt's his name?) is on to something...... nah.

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Reply #38 - Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:44pm

You know that these days the amount of thermometers around the world has been reduced by more than half and the ones left are not in open fields.

They tend to be positioned next to HVAC's or airport runways or tarmac and concrete roads and structures.

The 0.5 degree rise in temperature could also be atrributed to this.

The other thing is most of the warming of the last centrury happened before 1940, now isn't that strange because after 1940 mans production of CO2 went up yet temperatures fell until about the nid 1970's.

This scared the very same clowns that are screaming global warming today to scream global cooling back then.

Earth's temperature increases and decreases with the activities of our SUN.

The sun drives all temperature fluctuations here on Earth and then in turn the temperature drives the amount of CO2 released into our atmosphere.

Thats one of the things Al Gore got wrong in his movie, he implied that CO2 drives temperature but the reverse is true.

That is one of the 9 fundimental flaws pointed out about his documentary by the british legal courts.

About the arctic it has melted before and will do so again.

This is not a new phenomenon, as the gloabl warming religion would have us believe.

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Reply #39 - Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 5:21pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:44pm:

You know that these days the amount of thermometers around the world has been reduced by more than half and the ones left are not in open fields.

They tend to be positioned next to HVAC's or airport runways or tarmac and concrete roads and structures.

The 0.5 degree rise in temperature could also be atrributed to this.

That was debunked long ago.

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The other thing is most of the warming of the last centrury happened before 1940, now isn't that strange because after 1940 mans production of CO2 went up yet temperatures fell until about the nid 1970's.

What data are you using to back that up? Have a look at this article - or do you consider New Scientist to be a "greenie group" ?
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11639-climate-myths-the-cooling-after-1940...

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Reply #40 - Jul 24^th, 2013 at 1:57pm

muso wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 5:21pm:

Ajax wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:44pm:

You know that these days the amount of thermometers around the world has been reduced by more than half and the ones left are not in open fields.

They tend to be positioned next to HVAC's or airport runways or tarmac and concrete roads and structures.

The 0.5 degree rise in temperature could also be atrributed to this.

That was debunked long ago.

What data are you using to back that up? Have a look at this article - or do you consider New Scientist to be a "greenie group" ?

Debunked or not it doesn't make sense having a thermometer next to a HVAC system or on the tarmac of a runway.

Wthin that article you posted is a graph, it can be seen there.

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Reply #41 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 6:26am

From the 'We told you so' department

A paper out of China that quantifies many of the very problems with the US and global surface temperature record we have been discussing for years: the adjustments add more warming than the global warming signal itself

A paper just published in Theoretical and Applied Climatology finds that the data homogenization techniques commonly used to adjust temperature records for moving stations and the urban heat island effect [UHI] can result in a “significant” exaggeration of warming trends in the homogenized record.

The effect of homogenization is clear and quite pronounced. What they found in China is based on how NOAA treats homogenization of the surface temperature record.

According to the authors:

“Our analysis shows that “data homogenization for [temperature] stations moved from downtowns to suburbs can lead to a significant overestimate of rising trends of surface air temperature.”

Basically what they are saying here is that the heat sink effect of all the concrete and asphalt surrounding the station swamps the diurnal variation of the station, and when it is moved away, the true diurnal variation returns, and then the homogenization methodology falsely adjusts the signal in a way that increases the trend.

You can see the heat sink swamping of the diurnal signal in the worst stations, Class 5, nearest urban centers in the graphs below. Compare urban, semi-urban, and rural for Class 5 stations, the effect of the larger UHI heat sink on the Tmax and Tmin is evident.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/29/important-study-on-temperature-adjustments...

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Reply #42 - May 7^th, 2014 at 1:38pm

The climate reality our government is living in is little more than a self-serving construct.

Final fraud temp MINUS RAW

See where the rising temperatures are coming from. Purely coming from the pseudo climate science community, not from nature

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/06/ive-been-waiting-for-this-statement-and-th...

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