rabbitoh08 says

'The arctic continues to melt
Sea levels continue to rise
Global glacial mass balance continues to decline'

Perhaps he/she is advocating a return to the LIA?

That would give increasing Arctic sea ice, reduced sea levels and improving glacial mass. I'm not sure that glacial mass is ever in balance; whatever that means.

What exactly is the optimum temperature?

Should we have a carbon dioxide tax, another LIA, and have people die of cold as they can't afford carboniferous fuel?

More people die of cold than heat.

Coming out of an Ice Age temperatures go up.

I see no attribution to CO2 as a supposed causal event. So there is no science there.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:



Obviously you missed correlation is not causation.

But even with increasing CO2; how do you explain the IPCC admitted "pause"?
'Some scientists on the IPCC say "natural variability"; but if "natural variability" can explain the "pause", why cannot it also explain the original warming?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:



So I take it you can't explain the IPCC position?

I was a 15 year old telegram boy later tradie; is that a trump?

Rates of change in connection with what?

CO2 shows a positive rate of change; the rate of change in relation to temperatures has dropped.

Finally a touch of main stream of this fraudulent temperature data manipulation. Cooling the past and warming the present. Yep, its man made alright.

The scandal of fiddled global warming data

The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data. There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science, showing how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).


Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models.

The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-glo...

NOAA And NASA Data Alterations Are Global

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaa-and-nasa-data-alterations-are...

My dog can pick the pattern of this fraud. Always, always.. cool the past, warm the present

There is no CO2 crises, all the average person has to do is go and have a look in to history.

If CO2 controlled temperature it would be evident in our history.

There have been times when CO2 has risen and temperature dropped, there have also been times when temperature has risen and CO2 dropped.

The scale that is ALWAYS show by the alarmists is around the 500,000 year time scale which makes it look as though temperature and CO2 correlate.

If you get a time scale of 10,000 years they don't come close.

If you get a time scale of millions of years they don't come close.

If you get todays CO2 emission levels and temperature they DONT correlate far from it.

That's why the alarmists have all these crazy theories that the ocean is sucking up all this extra heat that the extra CO2 is producing.

If the Earth was so finely tunned we would have perished eons ago.

They never tell people that we once had 20 times the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere that we have today and life thrived.

Today we have some of the lowest temperatures and lowest amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, there have only been one or two instances in our history when we have had so low temperature and CO2.

So when you reach rock bottom there's only one way to go UP.......??????

I love the environment just as much as any greenie but don't p!ss down my back and tell me its raining.

This global warming religion is communism dressed up as environmentalism, the United Nations want to control the worlds energy resources and at the same time to redistribute wealth from the west to under developed nations.

So all you goody two shoes who want to save the environment and have been brained washed by the global warming religion wake up for goodness sake, it can be done without the United nations, the world bank, the IMF and who everelse has their dirty little fingers in the pie.

The reality is when temperature rises CO2 follows with a lag of about 800 years.

Al Gore got it the arse about he told us that CO2 rise and then temperature follows.

What do you honestly expect from a politician....!!!!!!!!

10,000 year time scale

500,000 year time scale (the scale the alarmist ALWAYS use)

millions of year time scale

TODAY