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Reply #1 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 6:07pm
 
Tony Abbott cannott deal with the 'contention' issue regarding broadband in Australia.

Just so you know, thread titles containing the word 'contention' as regards the NBN are not allowed in the main politics forum!

Try it and you will see I am right!!

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'CONTENTION' is the only issue regarding the NBN!!


...THE ONLY ISSUE.... DO I HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN????????????????????
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Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 2:47pm
 
Abbott has been humbled by the NBN!!  Grin
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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:27pm
 
CorpseOnaCow,

are you really so gullible that you actually believe a single word of the falsified corrupt lying misleading rubbish from the pathological lying Laborites as they try to cover up their hopeless failure - the NeverBuiltNetwork ?
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:25am
 
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The horrible shocking HOAX that is the NeverBuiltNetwork !!!!!!

Labor are only admitting to a ‘tiny’’ portion of their actual blowout which is far far greater and dire for Australia.

Having listened to Alan Jones interviews with Henry Ergas and Terry McCrann some months ago, they both have estimated this disgraceful unaccountable Labor Govt NBN policy would end up costing taxpayers at least $80Billion if not closer to $90Billion for the world’s most expensive broadband network!

The arrogant self serving Conroy the CON artist is wrong when he states this is NOT an expense it’s an investment! WTF!
It is the largest wasteful most enormous EXPENSE ever that will not return anything.

This whole NBN Company is an elaborate HOAX, just like the fraudulent carbon scam tax crap built on lies and socialist extremist green propaganda is to RIP the people OFF and they are feeding with a frenzy off taxpayers!


The behind closed doors secrecy of this multi billion dollar project is outrageous and will cost Australia dearly for decades to come.

The NBN policy has given Labor the source to acquire $Billions without ANY scrutiny.
How many thousands are on the payroll?
Their outrageous remuneration guzzling $Millions???
How many of these ‘employees’ are doing anything, but lying under a tree for hours, if they venture that far?

A licence to take what they want is what Labor have got with this and siphon the coffers, just like their NDIS - NO DETAILS whatsoever on multi billion dollar projects!

A corrupt government run by union thugs is what we have, who are holding our country to ransom!

Time to bail them up and throw them in the clinger before they totally bankrupt the nation, if we’re not already there yet.
How the hell are these lying ex-unionist bludgers getting away with it?
How the hell are they able to walk in public without the public roaring at them and chasing the lot of them out of town?
Give the people an election and get a Royal Commission underway against this despicable Union Run Liebor Party.


NBN - the debt that keeps growing
Piers Akerman   Thursday,  August  09,  2012 (4:40am)

Surprise, surprise, the Not Bloody Necessary broadband program is at least half a year behind schedule and costs have blown out by nearly $1.5 billion.

Who says Labor and in particular, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy don’t know what they’re doing?

Everyone who has ever run a business or who can punch figures into a calculator, that’s who.

The biggest infrastructure project in the nation’s history is out of control.

With no cost benefit analysis, the NBN Co is winging it.

The public hasn’t embraced. The company has to close the existing copper wire network (by expensively buying it) to force customers to pay for the NBN.

Total capital expenditure has blown out by $1.4 billion and the construction schedule is at least six months behind.

We, you and me, are being forced to pick up the excess by buying more equity in NBN for an extra $2.9 billion for a total of $30.4 billion – that’s a ten per cent miscalculation right there.

The cost is now $44.1 billion up from $41 billion in the original 2010 plan – but who’s doing the counting and are they any more believable now than they were two years ago?

Not likely, given the scale of their errors and this shabby excuse for a government’s record with spending.

Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said the delays and blowouts showed the federal government had let taxpayers down.

“Labor’s National Broadband Network is falling disastrously behind every benchmark the government has set for it except one - the amount of taxpayers’ money being spent,” he said.

Turnbull said NBN Co should be given a definitive budget and stick to it – as if.

“And the Productivity Commission should be asked to conduct a thorough cost benefit analysis to assess the most efficient means of upgrading Australians’ broadband as quickly as possible,” he said.

Of course it should, it should have been asked to run a cost benefit analysis before the first trench was dug but that is not the Labor way.

Blunder on until the public wakes up to the fact that its money is being wasted.

Broadband is necessary but this delivery model was never the right one for Australia – as we are all finding out to our enormous cost.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/co...
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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:27am
 
LOL  - Piers Akerman!!!!!!!
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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:37am
 
This is simply the TRUTH that would have been revealed if the lying corrupt incompetent lazy ex-unionist Labor clerks had followed correct business practice and prepared a realistic business case before beginning this monstrous unachievable disgraceful mess.
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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:39am
 
fibre breaks a lot more easily then copper.
mite be some unhappy homeowners when they have to pay for any damaged fibre within their property.

what is the estimated cost for an average monthly plan going to be to return over 7%.
i would imagine most people currently pay about $50 a month.
what will it be under the NBN.

we seem to have built telstra, sold it because owning it was a bad idea, now built it again.   very odd.
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Reply #8 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:43am
 
juliar wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:25am:
Alan Jones blah blah
Terry McCrann blah blah
Piers Akerman blah blah
Labor sux bluh blah


You've hit the jackpot right there. Three clueless commentators in the one post.

Alan doesn't even know what optical fibre is:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/shock-jock-impressed-by-laser-speed-breakthrou...

Piers Thinks he knows more about technology that Prof Rod Tucker (Awarded the PM's Medal by your hero PM Howard for "services to communications")
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/only-a-broadband-network-will-...
or Google
https://fiber.google.com/about/

While old Tezza thinks Google are also getting it wrong by deciding on fibre, and must also believe we are about to rewrite the laws of physics to make wireless a viable alternative, despite everyone in the industry laughing at the suggestion:
http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/49380-cold-day-in-hell-for-nbn-c...
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/21/technology/spectrum_crunch/index.htm
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/spectrum-crunch
http://phys.org/news/2012-06-spectrum-crunch-mobile-revolution.html
http://4gwirelessnetwork.com/2012/07/07/vodafone-germany-promotes-lte-as-network...
http://www.fiercewireless.com/europe/story/mallinson-doubling-spectrum-capacity-...

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Reply #9 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:48am
 
Give up on it Juliar - this is the second NBN thread today where you have been absolutely and comprehensively belted.  Put on your "Big Girl's Panties" and try another topic
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Reply #10 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 11:24am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:39am:
fibre breaks a lot more easily then copper.
mite be some unhappy homeowners when they have to pay for any damaged fibre within their property.

what is the estimated cost for an average monthly plan going to be to return over 7%.
i would imagine most people currently pay about $50 a month.
what will it be under the NBN.

we seem to have built telstra, sold it because owning it was a bad idea, now built it again.   very odd.


Fibre is far more reliable than copper. It doesn't corrode, and there is no reason why it would "break on someone's property". On top of that, the fibre only runs to one point in the house, and NBN Co are responsible for maintaining it or replacing it if something goes wrong. Unless you dig it up....

NBN prices range from $35 -100 per month depending on the speed (12-100Mbps) and quota (50-1000GB). That's the total retail price, there's no line rental on top. Next year when the 250/500/1000Mbps plans are introduced, they will cost more but no retail pricing is out for them yet.

NBN Co is different to Telstra. Telstra was a vertical monopoly, NBN Co is wholesale-only, open access.

That aside, did we actually gain any benefit from selling Telstra?
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Reply #11 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 11:47am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:39am:
fibre breaks a lot more easily then copper.


It does? Glass is very elastic. Don't think it suffers from work hardening as metal does either, though I could easily be wrong.

I remember the old glass fibre lamps which were just hundreds of glass fibres sticking out of a base. You could run your hand through the fibres and they'd blow around in a draft. Used to be considered kinda cool back around the seventies.

Can't imagine being able to do that with copper wires.
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Reply #12 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 5:17pm
 
juliar wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:37am:
This is simply the TRUTH that would have been revealed if the lying corrupt incompetent lazy ex-unionist Labor clerks had followed correct business practice and prepared a realistic business case before beginning this monstrous unachievable disgraceful mess.

juliars got nada  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry

juliar can't look her kids in the eye!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Shocked  Embarrassed
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Reply #13 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 5:17pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:39am:
fibre breaks a lot more easily then copper.
mite be some unhappy homeowners when they have to pay for any damaged fibre within their property.

what is the estimated cost for an average monthly plan going to be to return over 7%.
i would imagine most people currently pay about $50 a month.
what will it be under the NBN.

we seem to have built telstra, sold it because owning it was a bad idea, now built it again.   very odd.

wtf??????????????????????????????

Shocked Shocked  Kiss
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Reply #14 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:20pm
 
I wondered when that nBn or Labor employee NbNLies would surface.

All you gullible dreamers enjoy your nBn dreems while you can because you are just make believing what won't happen in the future - sad really.

One of the standard Labor tactics when faced with a horrible TRUTH is to launch a ferocious ridicule and denial attack and then of course to try to attack the bringer of truth. But of course what is sadly missing is any valid TRUTHFUL EVIDENCE to refute the disturbing ORIGINAL TRUTH.

one of the many advantages of having an advanced education is that one can easily see the flaws in this tired ineffectual much abused Labor tactic which is just so boringly obvious that one feels sorry for those who mistakenly think this style of "argument" is impressive. Sadly the only person that is "impressed" is the misguided body who is so uninformed as to waste good blog space and to lower the standard of the blog site with this foolish charade.

So, just to refresh your indignation by demonstrating your cherished beliefs are nothing but self delusional rubbish, the TRUTH is that the NeverBuiltNetwork is in an absolute mess due to the lack of proper diligence being exercised at the BEGINNING of the project. Very little of the NeverBuiltNetwork will be completed by the election so that it will be very easy for the Coalition to sell what little there is as the Coalition don't want to be saddled with another "PMG" type organization.

After the election the NbN bureaucracy will be very quickly disbanded as it has repeatedly demonstrated that it is an incompetent public service style organization. Already the nBn are changing their targets to drop off lots of customers as they are slowly realizing that the cost of the NeverBuiltNetwork as originally "promised" by the impractical ex-unionist clerks masquerading as political representatives of electorates full of real voting people is indeed closer to $100bn rather than the deliberately fabricated fictitious lying misleading erroneous $50bn bruited about by the lying Labor morons.


This should get all you lot going with your embarrassingly amateurish little expostulations which impress only yourselves !!!!
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