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Reply #15 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:25pm
 
juliar wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:20pm:
I wondered when that nBn or Labor employee NbNLies would surface.

All you gullible dreamers enjoy your nBn dreems while you can because you are just make believing what won't happen in the future - sad really.

One of the standard Labor tactics when faced with a horrible TRUTH is to launch a ferocious ridicule and denial attack and then of course to try to attack the bringer of truth. But of course what is sadly missing is any valid TRUTHFUL EVIDENCE to refute the disturbing ORIGINAL TRUTH.

one of the many advantages of having an advanced education is that one can easily see the flaws in this tired ineffectual much abused Labor tactic which is just so boringly obvious that one feels sorry for those who mistakenly think this style of "argument" is impressive. Sadly the only person that is "impressed" is the misguided body who is so uninformed as to waste good blog space and to lower the standard of the blog site with this foolish charade.

So, just to refresh your indignation by demonstrating your cherished beliefs are nothing but self delusional rubbish, the TRUTH is that the NeverBuiltNetwork is in an absolute mess due to the lack of proper diligence being exercised at the BEGINNING of the project. Very little of the NeverBuiltNetwork will be completed by the election so that it will be very easy for the Coalition to sell what little there is as the Coalition don't want to be saddled with another "PMG" type organization.

After the election the NbN bureaucracy will be very quickly disbanded as it has repeatedly demonstrated that it is an incompetent public service style organization. Already the nBn are changing their targets to drop off lots of customers as they are slowly realizing that the cost of the NeverBuiltNetwork as originally "promised" by the impractical ex-unionist clerks masquerading as political representatives of electorates full of real voting people is indeed closer to $100bn rather than the deliberately fabricated fictitious lying misleading erroneous $50bn bruited about by the lying Labor morons.


This should get all you lot going with your embarrassingly amateurish little expostulations which impress only yourselves !!!!


i bet you even annoy yourself every time you open your mouth .....
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Reply #16 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 6:09am
 
NBNMyths wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 11:24am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:39am:
fibre breaks a lot more easily then copper.
mite be some unhappy homeowners when they have to pay for any damaged fibre within their property.
Cool
what is the estimated cost for an average monthly plan going
to be to return over 7%.
i would imagine most people currently pay about $50 a
month.
what will it be under the NBN.

we seem to have built telstra, sold it because owning it was a bad idea, now built it again.   very odd.


Fibre is far more reliable than copper. It doesn't corrode, and there is no reason why it would "break on someone's property". On top of that, the fibre only runs to one point in the house, and NBN Co are responsible for maintaining it or replacing it if something goes wrong. Unless you dig it up....

NBN prices range from $35 -100 per month depending on the speed (12-100Mbps) and quota (50-1000GB). That's the total retail price, there's no line rental on top. Next year when the 250/500/1000Mbps plans are introduced, they will cost more but no retail pricing is out for them yet.

NBN Co is different to Telstra. Telstra was a vertical monopoly, NBN Co is wholesale-only, open access.

That aside, did we actually gain any benefit from selling Telstra?


Thanks for that nbnmyths,
Can I ask what you think the top will cost for suburbia.?
Is the cost the same for rural and suburban households.?
What would have been the cost for fibre to the node which always seemed the better option to me.? Cry
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Re: NBN:"return on the project is now 7.1 per cent"
Reply #17 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:53am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 6:09am:
NBNMyths wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 11:24am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:39am:
fibre breaks a lot more easily then copper.
mite be some unhappy homeowners when they have to pay for any damaged fibre within their property.
Cool
what is the estimated cost for an average monthly plan going
to be to return over 7%.
i would imagine most people currently pay about $50 a
month.
what will it be under the NBN.

we seem to have built telstra, sold it because owning it was a bad idea, now built it again.   very odd.


Fibre is far more reliable than copper. It doesn't corrode, and there is no reason why it would "break on someone's property". On top of that, the fibre only runs to one point in the house, and NBN Co are responsible for maintaining it or replacing it if something goes wrong. Unless you dig it up....

NBN prices range from $35 -100 per month depending on the speed (12-100Mbps) and quota (50-1000GB). That's the total retail price, there's no line rental on top. Next year when the 250/500/1000Mbps plans are introduced, they will cost more but no retail pricing is out for them yet.

NBN Co is different to Telstra. Telstra was a vertical monopoly, NBN Co is wholesale-only, open access.

That aside, did we actually gain any benefit from selling Telstra?


Thanks for that nbnmyths,
Can I ask what you think the top will cost for suburbia.?
Is the cost the same for rural and suburban households.?
What would have been the cost for fibre to the node which always seemed the better option to me.? Cry


NBN pricing is the same nationwide.

Over the fibre network, all speeds will be available and the same price wherever you are, be it in the city or regional towns.

The remote/rural sat and wireless portions will initially only offer the fibre entry speed of 12/1Mbps, which will be the same price over wireless/sat as 12/1 on the fibre network. Wireless is expected to also offer 25/5 in the near future, and that will be the same price as 25/5 on fibre.

Have no solid idea of what the price of FTTN would be, since it's not on the table. I doubt it would be any cheaper though, because part of the NBN pricing model is that higher speeds subsidise the lower speeds. ie: NBN Co actually lose money on the 12/1, 25/5 and 25/10 speeds. They break even on 50/20, and then make money on 100/40, 250/100, 500/200 and 1000/400. Because the top realistic speed for FTTN would be maybe 50Mbps, that means there is no high-end to subsidise the low end.

I'd expect therefore, that should the Coalition scale the NBN back to FTTN, the prices will be the same as the NBN prices for the equivalent speed, but the higher speeds will simply be unavailable.

The former Chief Tech Officer of British Telecom, who formerly advocated FTTN when he was there, has now declared that it was a huge mistake and thinks moving straight to FTTP is the best plan:
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/04/30/fttn-a-huge-mistake-says-ex-bt-cto/


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Reply #18 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:13am
 
thanks very much for that nbn

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Reply #19 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:42pm
 
It is good fun to stir up the self delusional dreamers sitting in their arm chairs and wheel chairs make believing about the NeverBuiltNetwork.

The writing on the wall is plain for all to see that are capable of seeing the obvious. Telstra (in connivance with the Coalition) is already planning to take over what little there is built by the incompetent bloated bureaucracy of the NeverBuiltNetwork.



Here’s the deal for Telstra and NBN
John McDuling PUBLISHED: 11 Aug 2012 00:01:22  | UPDATED: 11 Aug 2012 07:30:20

It was a catastrophic error in judgment that cost a CEO his job and almost brought down a multibillion-dollar company.

At Christmas 2010, just months after the release of a new model of Apple’s hugely popular iPhone, Vodafone’s strategy to scrimp on its mobile network and compete primarily on price came crashing down to earth. Buckling under the pressure of unprecedented demand for data, its mobile network went into meltdown, leaving its customers unable to call, send texts or access the web at the worst possible time.

But Vodafone’s disaster was Telstra’s opportunity. The incumbent telco was in the early stages of agreeing to surrender its fixed line monopoly to the government’s national broadband network for $11 billion.

It needed to grab market share in mobiles, and as Vodafone drowned, it whipped up the waves by plunging $1 billion into handset subsidies to entice customers onto its superior network.

Two-and-a-half years later, Vodafone has racked up more than $500 million in losses and replaced its CEO, Nigel Dews, with American turnaround specialist Bill Morrow.

Over that period, more than 3 million customers have joined Telstra, which during the week resumed profit growth for the first time since 2009, driven primarily by growth in its mobile business.

One senior regulatory source involved in the fallout from Vodafone’s network issues says: “It was amazing the reputational harm Vodafone did to [itself] over that period. And the reverse side of that is Telstra ate [its] lunch completely.”

From its ruthless routing of Vodafone, Telstra gained valuable insights it will use to transform itself from big, lumbering telco into a genuine information technology services provider.

As demand for information ascends on a sharp upward trajectory, Telstra CEO David Thodey signalled during the week it will ride the data wave on the back of the NBN, revealing Telstra will spend $100 million to speed up the build of a key aspect of the project.

Buried behind the announcement of its cap ex increase was its decision to speed up the integration of key parts of its network that would be leased to NBN Co to move the biggest amounts of data.

Win win and win.


Thodey gets his foot on the data future, NBN Co chief executive Mike Quiqley gets wind in his broadband sails and Communications Minister Stephen Conroy reaps the political rewards.

Australians are communicating as never before. According to a study by Cicso released in May, internet traffic in Australia reached 120 petrabytes a month in 2011. Between 2011 and 2016, internet traffic is expected to increase fourfold, at which point data equivalent to the size of every movie ever made will move through mobile and fixed line networks every 11 hours.

Few, if any, companies in Australia have rivalled Telstra in extracting value from the insatiable popular appetite for data and associated growth in connected devices. And it is this very dynamic where the interests of one former government monopoly, and those of its nascent successor – the NBN – coalesce.

NBN Co’s entire business case – an updated version of which Conroy released during the week – depends on this demand for data continuing to increase exponentially.

It will cost $37.4 billion to extend 206,000 kilometres of fibre optic lines across the country over the next decade.

NBN Co must recover those costs, and deliver a 7 per cent annualised return over a 30-year period to stay off the federal budget.

Its ability to do so is hotly contested, but ultimately built on the assumption that new services will emerge requiring the ultra-fast speeds its fibre optic technology can deliver. NBN estimates that by 2040, about 60 per cent of its customers will be on lightning-fast speeds above 100 megabits a second, speeds that are rarely needed today but could be useful in an era of ultra-high definition television.

Telstra has decided to accelerate investment in its network by $500 million over the next two years. Most of the money will be spent on the extension of super-fast 4G services to suburban and regional areas. But about $100 million will be spent on speeding up the construction of fibre links that will form the backbone of the NBN.

The decision could not have come at a better time for NBN Co, which also confirmed an embarrassing $1.5 billion blowout in projected costs over its decade-long construction period. With increased operating expenses, this means taxpayers will have to tip in an extra $2.9 billion in funding to complete the contentious project.

But it is a shrewd move by Telstra. Once the transit network is completed, it will lock NBN Co into a 30-year lease, the estimated value of which to Telstra is $2 billion
.

This windfall could in theory be at risk if there were a change in government next year. Although any incoming government would be loath to upset an army of 1.4 million shareholders, in this light, expenditure of $100 million looks eminently sensible.

The politically precarious position the NBN finds itself in was highlighted by the fact it now expects to have just 54,000 customers linked up to fibre in the months leading up to the election – less than 10 per cent of its previous forecast.

A Coaltion victory would still lead to much of the NBN being scaled back dramatically. So, after months of industry scuttlebutt about Telstra dragging its heels over the transition to the NBN, it is now doing everything in its power to see as much of the project completed, and as quickly possible.

“We are going to continue to see opportunities to collaborate with NBN Co as they work their roll-out schedule,” Thodey said.

“We think there are some opportunities – which we are going to allude today – to accelerate that transit build because we think that’s important in terms of the overall relationship and structure of the NBN.”

The transit network will be the backbone of the NBN, carrying traffic between the 121 access points around the country at which wholesale customers will link up to the network.

It will also most likely be used as “backhaul” for mobile providers. It was a lack of investment in backhaul, which is used to transmit information between mobile towers and base stations, that was ultimately to blame for Vodafone’s network problems (Telstra and Optus link up mobile towers and base stations with fibre, while Vodafone is believed to use less robust radio and microwave signals).

And it is clear that mobility will be a crucial characteristic of the next phase of growth in data consumption. After all, Australia’s insatiable appetite for data, which is broadly in line with international trends, has ultimately been driven by the incredible popularity of “smart” mobile devices. On this front, Australia is a true leader, with the world’s second highest smartphone penetration rate (behind Singapore) and the second highest iPhone adoption rate (behind Switzerland), according to Google.

The next of these blockbuster devices, Apple’s iPhone 5, is expected to be released within months. The new version of the product could be enabled for super fast 4G or “long-term evolution” services, where Telstra is looking at extending its advantage over its rivals.

“4G” or LTE is a technology that offers speeds more than twice as fast as those of its predecessor, 3G, but more efficiently, both in terms of costs and in use of spectrum, the valuable airspace used to transmit wireless signals.

It is likely to enable consumers to view highly bandwidth-intensive video, such as live sport, via cellular towers, at home, or on the bus or train into work.

Thodey has announced that Telstra will expand investment on its network to $1.2 billion next year, upgrading as many as 1500 base stations in suburban and regional areas to the superfast technology. This comes just a week after Optus turned on its 4G offering for business customers in Sydney and Perth.

“We need to maintain that network advantage because we’re seeing such a strong demand for it and, very importantly, the LTE technology carries information at about half the cost of previous technologies,” Thodey said of the investment.

If Telstra is the only carrier with a widespread 4G offering activated at the time of the iPhone 5 launch, its lead in the mobile industry, where it already has about a 44 per cent market share, could prove to be unassailable.

It is Telstra’s investment in its mobile network that has made it one of the few Australian companies to benefit from the rise of a connected society – a shift that caught at least one of its rivals off guard and wreaked havoc on consumer-exposed sections of the economy, including retail and media. Whether that was by luck or design remains an open question but by taking the lead on 4G the telco is looking to extend its dominance.

“Mobile networks were built for voice and SMS services,” Deutsche Bank’s telecoms analyst Vikas Gour says. “It would have been difficult to envisage the sort of data growth that iPhone and other smartphones managed to generate. [But] Telstra did a very good job of future-proofing its network to cope with the data tsunami.”

http://www.afr.com/p/national/here_the_deal_for_telstra_and_nbn_2tdZuTCZh6D65wNm...
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Reply #20 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:58pm
 
lisa.greek wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:48am:
Give up on it Juliar - this is the second NBN thread today where you have been absolutely and comprehensively belted.  Put on your "Big Girl's Panties" and try another topic



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Reply #21 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:33pm
 
juliar wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:20pm:
I wondered when that nBn or Labor employee NbNLies would surface.

All you gullible dreamers enjoy your nBn dreems while you can because you are just make believing what won't happen in the future - sad really.

One of the standard Labor tactics when faced with a horrible TRUTH is to launch a ferocious ridicule and denial attack and then of course to try to attack the bringer of truth. But of course what is sadly missing is any valid TRUTHFUL EVIDENCE to refute the disturbing ORIGINAL TRUTH.

one of the many advantages of having an advanced education is that one can easily see the flaws in this tired ineffectual much abused Labor tactic which is just so boringly obvious that one feels sorry for those who mistakenly think this style of "argument" is impressive. Sadly the only person that is "impressed" is the misguided body who is so uninformed as to waste good blog space and to lower the standard of the blog site with this foolish charade.

So, just to refresh your indignation by demonstrating your cherished beliefs are nothing but self delusional rubbish, the TRUTH is that the NeverBuiltNetwork is in an absolute mess due to the lack of proper diligence being exercised at the BEGINNING of the project. Very little of the NeverBuiltNetwork will be completed by the election so that it will be very easy for the Coalition to sell what little there is as the Coalition don't want to be saddled with another "PMG" type organization.

After the election the NbN bureaucracy will be very quickly disbanded as it has repeatedly demonstrated that it is an incompetent public service style organization. Already the nBn are changing their targets to drop off lots of customers as they are slowly realizing that the cost of the NeverBuiltNetwork as originally "promised" by the impractical ex-unionist clerks masquerading as political representatives of electorates full of real voting people is indeed closer to $100bn rather than the deliberately fabricated fictitious lying misleading erroneous $50bn bruited about by the lying Labor morons.


This should get all you lot going with your embarrassingly amateurish little expostulations which impress only yourselves !!!!


LOL  Roll Eyes
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #22 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:25pm
 
we need the nbn
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #23 - Aug 17th, 2012 at 6:34pm
 
lol, business acumen says what?????????????????????????????????????????????????  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Grin
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