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Reply #15 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:22am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes" i heard him say these words in his speech.

then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes AND HE DIDNT NOTICE

now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that ,

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it.

Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this.

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

disagree, he said they were out to get him and had threatened to set him up.

the credit card statements came out AFTER these threats.

i think he would have given them more than a cursory glance before giving them the ok

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Reply #16 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:33am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:22am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes" i heard him say these words in his speech.

then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes AND HE DIDNT NOTICE

now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that ,

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it.

Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this.

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

disagree, he said they were out to get him and had threatened to set him up.

the credit card statements came out AFTER these threats.

i think he would have given them more than a cursory glance before giving them the ok

A few years later, almost certainly thought to be an empty threat till it maybe happens and to be done via credit card statements would be unexpected in the extreme.

I am not saying that this is what happened just that as a reason for leading a paranoid lifestyle, double and triple checking everything for several years is not believable.

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Reply #18 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

cods wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

I emailed Peter to congratulate him on his diligence in actually looking at the motivations of Kathy Jackson in dobbing Craig Thomson in. Subsequent discussions on the phone assured me that the ‘other’ side of the story w

DOBBING what a word to use... she dobbed on him..

how dare she valley boy...how dare she...

are you saying anyone that DOBS on someone for stealing from their employer has an axe to grind..an ulterior motive????Jesus god I can only presume you are related to said THOMO...

kill the messenger kill the messenger.. do your damdest to turn this into everyones fault but THOMO..

are you saying anyone that DOBS on someone for stealing from their employer has an axe to grind..an ulterior motive????

It looks like at the time problems were evident and she was the prime suspect for obvious reasons, the criticism against her is also very solid, she was hardly in a position to whistle blow on moral grounds (she was misusing money as well).

Sometimes the best way to divert attention is to point at someone else.

hahahaha so you think everyone is like you dna.. shift ans twist the truth ..

ok..

I am not sure what she is being accused of.. did she use brothels.. and or credit cards for her own selfish needs??

as the way I see this its about accountability...neither you nor Y.Boy or myself have ever been a party to this union or the people involved.. and not only that none of us know anyone else that may be involved.. its what we read from others..

what money did she misuse.??? and if she did why is she not also being investigated by the police??????????????????..

she did say she was overpaid... but whos fault is that??? Williamsons I suspect as he was in charge of nepotism and making sure they were all overpaid..didnt she take over his job or was that THOMOs.??

anyway I am over you lot killing the messenger or the whistleblower.. you dont care how low you go as long as you support one of your own..

as I said many threads ago.. if he has the evidence he is innocent WHY WAIT ALL THIS TIME>. this investigation must surely be coming to a close.

I am sure the investigation would have ended yonks ago if the police had all this information you claim is out there.

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Reply #19 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:15pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:22am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes" i heard him say these words in his speech.

then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes AND HE DIDNT NOTICE

now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that ,

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it.

Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this.

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

disagree, he said they were out to get him and had threatened to set him up.

the credit card statements came out AFTER these threats.

i think he would have given them more than a cursory glance before giving them the ok

I think if he was used to seeing $2000 payments come up- on his credit card that he wouldnt take a double look.. then all I can say is shame on an y auditors in that UNION>. they did have auditors didnt they???

imagine not looking at thousands worth off creditcard paymts..it would stabnd out like a sore thumb on anything of mine..

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Reply #20 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes" i heard him say these words in his speech.

then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes AND HE DIDNT NOTICE

now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that ,

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it.

Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this.

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post.

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Reply #21 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 12:36am

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes" i heard him say these words in his speech.

then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes AND HE DIDNT NOTICE

now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that ,

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it.

Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this.

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post.

I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it.

The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation.

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Reply #22 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:28am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 12:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes" i heard him say these words in his speech.

then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes AND HE DIDNT NOTICE

now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that ,

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it.

Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this.

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post.

I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it.

The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation.

Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells, it simply isnt credible. Putting politics to one side, what is the most believable story, the most likely and easist to beieve? That he used his union card to go to hookers multiple times. His other torturous explanations could be possible, but are highly unlikely to be true. logic simply isnt on his side.

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Reply #23 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:48am

Longy have a look at the copy of Thomson credit card as supplied by Fairfax.
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http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2ue-Cra...
Evidence tendered for Craig Thomson’s alleged dalliances with prostitutes.

Look the handwritten numbers at the top of the credit card slip. On the right hand side is, of course, the date. However, it is the numbers in the centre top that you should be interest in.

Those who have ever used the old clunky credit card imprinter machines may remember that, for larger dollar transactions (usually over $50), the vendor would call the bank and receive a 6 digit authorisation code — that is what those 6 squares on the slip are for. For a transaction the size of the one Thomson is alleged to have made, an authorisation code would have definitely been required, otherwise the bank may not have honoured the charge. I don’t believe that brothels are the charitable types when it comes to free service, though I am not speaking from experience.

It is strange, then, that instead of a 6 digit number, there is a 3 digit number there instead: 211. We thought this may be something to look into. So we did, via the merchant services department of some of Australia’s major banks.

The 211, is actually a rejection code. Looking at the codes via this web-link, it is quite clear that this transaction, for some reason, has a rejection code written on it. This is also odd, because, if a transaction was rejected, normally the slip would just have been thrown in the bin — not filed and saved. To me, this throws a cloud of doubt over the evidence provided by Fairfax, as it all hinges on the authenticity of that slip; a slip with no authorisation code, a rejection code written on it, and a misspelt surname. It is also interesting that the code and date is written in a blue pen, apparently something of a “no no”, as banks normally require them to be completed in black ink for authorisation.

read the full article here

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Reply #24 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:19am

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 12:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post.

I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it.

The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation.

Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,......

I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely.

It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment.

I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery.

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Reply #25 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:22am

It was a warm Sunday morning in Fitzroy in late 1992.

Bill Shorten and his lover Nicola Roxon had struggled out of bed late and were heading up Brunswick Street for breakfast when Bill noticed a couple they knew having coffee opposite.

They waved, crossed the road, and sat down with Julia Gillard and Bruce Wilson. The conversation concerned no more than the weather but Julia was overtly gesticulating with her left hand. It bore a sizable stone in a white gold ring. "You guys are engaged!" exclaimed Bill. Julia blushed. Nicola looked askance at Bruce.

Julia was excited, in love, and it showed. But Nicola was aware that Bruce was bedding a number of other women, and it showed too, as she lowered her head and glared at Wilson. Wilson was known in AWU circles as "Wilson the Rooter".

To understand Julia Gillard we must first visit her history........... more at......

http://pickeringpost.com/

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Reply #26 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:25am

The point is that the people making the accusations are up to their armpits in corruption and the power struggle as well so how about we hear from someone who doesn't a vested interest in bringing Thomson down.
If he's guilty, throw the book at him but the situation deserves a fair investigation and all those with a vested interest should be listened to with caution or better still totally ignored.

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Reply #27 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:31am

John S wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:48am:

Longy have a look at the copy of Thomson credit card as supplied by Fairfax.
Quote:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2ue-Cra...
Evidence tendered for Craig Thomson’s alleged dalliances with prostitutes.

Look the handwritten numbers at the top of the credit card slip. On the right hand side is, of course, the date. However, it is the numbers in the centre top that you should be interest in.

Those who have ever used the old clunky credit card imprinter machines may remember that, for larger dollar transactions (usually over $50), the vendor would call the bank and receive a 6 digit authorisation code — that is what those 6 squares on the slip are for. For a transaction the size of the one Thomson is alleged to have made, an authorisation code would have definitely been required, otherwise the bank may not have honoured the charge. I don’t believe that brothels are the charitable types when it comes to free service, though I am not speaking from experience.

It is strange, then, that instead of a 6 digit number, there is a 3 digit number there instead: 211. We thought this may be something to look into. So we did, via the merchant services department of some of Australia’s major banks.

The 211, is actually a rejection code. Looking at the codes via this web-link, it is quite clear that this transaction, for some reason, has a rejection code written on it. This is also odd, because, if a transaction was rejected, normally the slip would just have been thrown in the bin — not filed and saved. To me, this throws a cloud of doubt over the evidence provided by Fairfax, as it all hinges on the authenticity of that slip; a slip with no authorisation code, a rejection code written on it, and a misspelt surname. It is also interesting that the code and date is written in a blue pen, apparently something of a “no no”, as banks normally require them to be completed in black ink for authorisation.

read the full article here

the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything..

so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands..

I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake..

however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????..

and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones..

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Reply #28 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:46am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:19am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 12:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post.

I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it.

The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation.

Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,......

I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely.

It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment.

I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery.

Thomson could of thoroughly look at his credit card statement but where would a credit card voucher decline by the bank at POS show up in a statement.

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Reply #29 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:58am

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

John S wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:48am:

Longy have a look at the copy of Thomson credit card as supplied by Fairfax.
Quote:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2ue-Cra...
Evidence tendered for Craig Thomson’s alleged dalliances with prostitutes.

Look the handwritten numbers at the top of the credit card slip. On the right hand side is, of course, the date. However, it is the numbers in the centre top that you should be interest in.

Those who have ever used the old clunky credit card imprinter machines may remember that, for larger dollar transactions (usually over $50), the vendor would call the bank and receive a 6 digit authorisation code — that is what those 6 squares on the slip are for. For a transaction the size of the one Thomson is alleged to have made, an authorisation code would have definitely been required, otherwise the bank may not have honoured the charge. I don’t believe that brothels are the charitable types when it comes to free service, though I am not speaking from experience.

It is strange, then, that instead of a 6 digit number, there is a 3 digit number there instead: 211. We thought this may be something to look into. So we did, via the merchant services department of some of Australia’s major banks.

The 211, is actually a rejection code. Looking at the codes via this web-link, it is quite clear that this transaction, for some reason, has a rejection code written on it. This is also odd, because, if a transaction was rejected, normally the slip would just have been thrown in the bin — not filed and saved. To me, this throws a cloud of doubt over the evidence provided by Fairfax, as it all hinges on the authenticity of that slip; a slip with no authorisation code, a rejection code written on it, and a misspelt surname. It is also interesting that the code and date is written in a blue pen, apparently something of a “no no”, as banks normally require them to be completed in black ink for authorisation.

read the full article here

the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything..

so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands..

I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake..

however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????..

and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones..

Cods if these are copies then the answer is staring you in the face.
Look closely, if they are copies why are there two different coloured inks used???? A copy has only one colour the blue would have had to written in after the copy was made.

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