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Reply #45 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:11pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:19am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 12:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

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aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error.

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.

it does not wash

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post.

I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it.

The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation.

Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,......

I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely.

It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment.

I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery.

The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because they determined that it WAS Thomson who used the card and not someone else claiming to be him. But no, a hack website knows better... When do you start applying occams razor instead of cheer squad mentality?

Do you really think that the police investigated the slip used by the media? the one with the name incorrect and rejected?

This thread is after all about honesty in the media and not if Thomson is innocent or guilty.

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Re: What the media won't tell you
Reply #46 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:17pm

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either..

will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you.

unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means..

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that..

I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other...

he comes across Im alright Jack..

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..

Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here.

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened.

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Reply #47 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:31pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either..

will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you.

unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means..

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that..

I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other...

he comes across Im alright Jack..

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..

Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here.

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened.

Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger. We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

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Re: What the media won't tell you
Reply #48 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:21pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:44pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:07pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

The police determination was that the credit car was used legitimately ie it WAS used by Thomson. Get a grip. and take a look at the credit card receipt. It was Surrey Hills SYDNEY NSW

You mean the receipt for a declined transaction from some completely different guy with a different name? I'm not surprised the police figured there was no crime committed if it was based on that evidence!

Despite your close-eyed obstinate headshaking toddler-style refusal to accept it, the NSW police investigated the claim that THomson's credit card was used fraudulently and after an investigation including visiting the brothel, determined that it WAS Thomsons card and he had used it.

suck it up.

Maybe in longliarland where everything longliar says is true. Here on planet Earth we know that everything longliar says is a lie:

Quote:

THE fraud case against the Labor MP Craig Thomson is effectively dead after advice from the NSW fraud squad that there is insufficient evidence to prove allegations he spent more than $100,000 on prostitutes, election campaigning and personal expenses.

The advice, sent to senior police yesterday, calls for the matter to be referred to Victoria Police - as any offence would have been committed there - but says they are unlikely to reach a different conclusion.

The news will be welcome in the Labor Party, which has struggled with dire opinion polls and a series of policy missteps.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/no-grounds-for-charging-thomson-say-police-20110907-1jxwh.html#ixzz23Js219b8

You've already had it pointed out to you that it was referred to Victoria Police. Now do you need that primary school kid to explain what "insufficient evidence" means? You better go look for one.

The classic SELECTIVE quotation methodology. No one said that him going to a brothel was illegal - only that it happened - which the NSW police confirmed. Secondly, you ahve chosen to refer to $100,000 worth of claims while happily ignoring the other $400,000 which is still with Strike Force Carnarvon as well as the ATO.

been smelling the ether recently?

So may well have gone to a brothel and NSW police may have concluded that he went to a brothel but in the end they concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to conclude that he'd done anything wrong. But despite this YOU claim he did something illegal. Let me guess - because... it just is...??

And I'm not ignoring anything, I'm responding to YOUR arguments that YOU put forward.

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Re: What the media won't tell you
Reply #49 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 9:32pm

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 11:07am:

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything..

so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands..

I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake..

however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????..

and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones..

the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything..

These are the same copies that you and many others were happy to claim were irrefutable proof of his guilt when the media relesed them.

absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either..

will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you.

unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means..

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that..

I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other...

he comes across Im alright Jack..

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

there is more than just fraud in this case and well you guys know it... if he didnt who did??????? would have to be a union person and one he would be very close too.. after all who would think of stealing his mobil his drivers licence. and using a fake creditcard all in the one night..

I am sure THOMO will be forever grateful for your support..

because we all know that if its on the News it must be true ......

tell me this john.... where do you get your information from????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ozpolitics ... thats why I tried to weed out the crap by ignoring anything you write .

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #50 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 9:40pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either..

will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you.

unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means..

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that..

I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other...

he comes across Im alright Jack..

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..

Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here.

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened.

Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger. We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

maybe, just possibly, the investigation came to a halt because the claims against him aren't true? do you even think it's a possibility that the people with ALL the information and with far more investigative ability than anything you'll ever be able to conjure up probably decided that there is just not enough evidence to prove the claims against him?

I bet you are unwilling to concede that it may even be a possibility ... the only reason you will ever have of accepting the investigation came to an end is because 'the PM's office must have put pressure on the police '.... your a joke .... if after all this time he hasn't been charged, then I would say he's unlikely to ever be charged .... it's pointless arguing with you because you don't want to believe anything else ... I only hope that you too are one day condemned for something you haven't done ...

I'm not saying the mans an angel, nor am I saying he didn't do it. .. just don't assume he is guilty

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #51 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 11:09pm

[quote author=70555254656957534E523A0 link=1344514146/50#50 date=1344771601
maybe, just possibly, the investigation came to a halt because the claims against him aren't true? do you even think it's a possibility that the people with ALL the information and with far more investigative ability than anything you'll ever be able to conjure up probably decided that there is just not enough evidence to prove the claims against him?

I bet you are unwilling to concede that it may even be a possibility ... the only reason you will ever have of accepting the investigation came to an end is because 'the PM's office must have put pressure on the police '.... your a joke .... if after all this time he hasn't been charged, then I would say he's unlikely to ever be charged .... it's pointless arguing with you because you don't want to believe anything else ... I only hope that you too are one day condemned for something you haven't done ...

I'm not saying the mans an angel, nor am I saying he didn't do it. .. just don't assume he is guilty [/quote]

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Well said, but don't expect the possibility to be considered by
our very own torch-and-pitchfork brigade.

Reason isn't one of their strong points...... Tongue

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Reply #52 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:38am

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger. We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it

What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments.

It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government.

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Reply #53 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:52am

John S wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:38am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger. We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it

What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments.

It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government.

It obvious they have to get this one right. Fair work took 3 - 4 years, I expect this to take up to 6 months from the police at most.

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Reply #54 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:58am

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:52am:

John S wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:38am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger. We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it

What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments.

It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government.

It obvious they have to get this one right. Fair work took 3 - 4 years, I expect this to take up to 6 months from the police at most.

and how long has it been now with the police

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Reply #55 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:07am

Gist wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:21pm: