Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Send Topic Print
Hey Dad: social philosophy. (Read 9010 times)
MOTR
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6646
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #45 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 4:36pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 1:12pm:
MOTR wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:57am:
That is a perceived problem with mandatory reporting. I'm not sure it is a reality.


Did I sound like it was a perception? It is a reality that mandatory reporting has not reduced the incidence of child abuse. Firstly, being 'mandatory' doesnt mean it is actually being done. IN fact there was a front page example in SA of exactly that happening in the worst ever case of child abuse in the state. And the over-use of reporting suspicions has led to a higher case load but with no increased discovery of abuse. We have replaced commonsense and integrity with something mandatory. The intentions were good, but thats not the full outcome.


Do you have a link that substantiates these claims?
Back to top
 

Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
IP Logged
 
gold_medal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #46 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:15pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
Any industry where adults are working in a potentially unsupervised environment with children.I'd say the cover up of the sexual abuse of children is virtually non existent wherever there is mandatory reporting.

If the allegations against Hughes are correct, there is no way he could have continued in his position under mandatory reporting.


Too broad... that includes way too many especially if you define child as <18 and people start fulltime wrok at 16/17
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
gold_medal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #47 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
Any industry where adults are working in a potentially unsupervised environment with children.

I'd say the cover up of the sexual abuse of children is virtually non existent wherever there is mandatory reporting.

If the allegations against Hughes are correct, there is no way he could have continued in his position under mandatory reporting.


then you'd be naive. since the vast majority of offending is within families then doctors and teachers who have mandatory reporting would have eliminated it - but havent.

The problem is in thinking that mandatory reporting is some kind of magic bullet to solve the problem. It isnt.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
gold_medal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #48 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:19pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 3:12pm:
if you know someone is molesting a child and don't report it, can you not also be charged as an accessory after the fact? doesn't that in itself make it mandatory to report child abuse?


No because you arent required to report any crime much less an abuse. Thats why the word 'mandatory' in 'mandatory reporting' exists. Perhaps a good question is to ask why there needs to be a legal pressure to force reporting of abuse.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
sexy_beast
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 575
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #49 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:24pm
 
What a sick bastard. Those producers are almost as bad for covering it up. It's the same as the churches, and all the coerings up done by the priests and ministers. I am a Christian, and those men are the hypocrites of hypocrites. ANYONE who does this to a child, and ANYONE who covers it up, deserve execution, in my opinion. Have they no conscience AT ALL?!
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
gold_medal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #50 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:42pm
 
sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:24pm:
What a sick bastard. Those producers are almost as bad for covering it up. It's the same as the churches, and all the coerings up done by the priests and ministers. I am a Christian, and those men are the hypocrites of hypocrites. ANYONE who does this to a child, and ANYONE who covers it up, deserve execution, in my opinion. Have they no conscience AT ALL?!


Well, dialling back the rhetoric you make intersting points. But Chruches are targetted by pedos just as is any group that works with children. The problem mainly comes from without rather than the geunine within. And it is easy from the cheap seats so say 'anyopne who covers it up' because very few actually have any evidence. All people see is suspicions or behaviours etc. Thats a long way from covering anything up.

Im interested though why you dont include any crimes against women - just children for you anger. And what about murder or assault?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ex Dame Pansi
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 24168
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #51 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:22pm
 
<<Im interested though why you dont include any crimes against women - just children for you anger. And what about murder or assault?>>
...........................................................

Because the feckin thread is about child sexual abuse duh!
Back to top
 

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....
 
IP Logged
 
it_is_the_light
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Christ Light

Posts: 41434
The Pyramid of LIGHT
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #52 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:26pm
 
What a sick bastard. Those producers are almost as bad for covering it up. It's the same as the churches, and all the coerings up done by the priests and ministers. I am a Christian, and those men are the hypocrites of hypocrites. ANYONE who does this to a child, and ANYONE who covers it up, deserve execution, in my opinion. Have they no conscience AT ALL?!

__________

no,

these are possessed freemasons

i have brought the facts upon this matter

within the "freemasons on trial"

thread here

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1341788446

get informed if you are in confusion

namaste
Back to top
 

ॐ May Much LOVE and CHRISTS LIGHT be upon and within us all.... namasté ▲ - : )  ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
it_is_the_light it_is_the_light Christ+Light Christ+Light  
IP Logged
 
gold_medal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #53 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:00pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:22pm:
<<Im interested though why you dont include any crimes against women - just children for you anger. And what about murder or assault?>>
...........................................................

Because the feckin thread is about child sexual abuse duh!


and the question was about child sex abuse IN CONTEXT WITH OTHER CRIMES. Why dont you answer the question then instead?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30094
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #54 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:26pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 4:36pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 1:12pm:
MOTR wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:57am:
That is a perceived problem with mandatory reporting. I'm not sure it is a reality.


Did I sound like it was a perception? It is a reality that mandatory reporting has not reduced the incidence of child abuse. Firstly, being 'mandatory' doesnt mean it is actually being done. IN fact there was a front page example in SA of exactly that happening in the worst ever case of child abuse in the state. And the over-use of reporting suspicions has led to a higher case load but with no increased discovery of abuse. We have replaced commonsense and integrity with something mandatory. The intentions were good, but thats not the full outcome.


Do you have a link that substantiates these claims?


gold_muppet doesn't believe in madatory reporting because that's exactly how his church deals with it by sweeping it under the carpert and hope that nobody finds out about it Sad

Hey gold_muppet where do you think handy-hughe's  hand is ??

...
Back to top
« Last Edit: Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:35pm by Sir lastnail »  

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30094
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #55 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:33pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:24pm:
What a sick bastard. Those producers are almost as bad for covering it up. It's the same as the churches, and all the coerings up done by the priests and ministers. I am a Christian, and those men are the hypocrites of hypocrites. ANYONE who does this to a child, and ANYONE who covers it up, deserve execution, in my opinion. Have they no conscience AT ALL?!


Well, dialling back the rhetoric you make intersting points. But Chruches are targetted by pedos just as is any group that works with children. The problem mainly comes from without rather than the geunine within. And it is easy from the cheap seats so say 'anyopne who covers it up' because very few actually have any evidence. All people see is suspicions or behaviours etc. Thats a long way from covering anything up.

Im interested though why you dont include any crimes against women - just children for you anger. And what about murder or assault?


another strawman fallacy from gold_muppet again which is just a pathetic attempt at defending his pedo clergy mates Sad

two wrongs don't make a right wrongweakend Sad
Back to top
 

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
IP Logged
 
sexy_beast
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 575
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #56 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:57pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:24pm:
What a sick bastard. Those producers are almost as bad for covering it up. It's the same as the churches, and all the coerings up done by the priests and ministers. I am a Christian, and those men are the hypocrites of hypocrites. ANYONE who does this to a child, and ANYONE who covers it up, deserve execution, in my opinion. Have they no conscience AT ALL?!


Well, dialling back the rhetoric you make intersting points. But Chruches are targetted by pedos just as is any group that works with children. The problem mainly comes from without rather than the geunine within. And it is easy from the cheap seats so say 'anyopne who covers it up' because very few actually have any evidence. All people see is suspicions or behaviours etc. Thats a long way from covering anything up.

Im interested though why you dont include any crimes against women - just children for you anger. And what about murder or assault?


I've seen cover-ups personally. Many priests and ministers have covered it up in the past. Unfortunately, these men get into these positions because it's easy prey. I am a Christian man, these men are posers. Don't think I am having a go at religion, because I am not. I am religious myself, these men are posers that use religion for their own devious ways.

I was only talking about children because this lady was a child when the abuse happened - we are talking about child molestation in this thread. Violence against anyone is bad, but violence against children and animals gets me red hot angry - more than against women or anyone else for that matter because children and animals have no defense, unlike a grown woman. Murder of course is bad as well, but not the topic here.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Online


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49278
At my desk.
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #57 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 9:22pm
 
I am violent towards animals on a regular basis. But only the defenceless ones. That's how nature intended it.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Mnemonic
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1530
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #58 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:37pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:48am:
Mandatory reporting has its problems as well. Its not as simple as requiring everyone to report SUSPECTED abuse everytim they THINK it is happening. You create an environment of accusation and innuendo. And in the end, the stats show that it really doesnt make anything any better. The real abuse was getting reported before and still is while the suspcision simply clog up the system and create anger among parents and teachers.

My toddler son dislocated and elbow and broke a leg in consecutive weeks thru accident. Mandatory Reporting required that it be reported as possible child abuse.  IMagine how many young children injure themselves twice in a short space of time and the wasted effort in investigating.


Yeah, who knows? It could just be a prank. It's like calling 000 and telling a fake story. It's like calling someone up and saying, "is your dishwasher running, because if it is, you better go catch it!!!!"

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 9:24am:
Yeah red, children are vulnerable, that's why they are targeted by vultures. We really need to protect them much better than we have been. We have to be forever vigilant in checking where they are and who else is there when they're out of our care.

Sleepovers were my biggest dread when my kids were young, you never know who's visiting the house.

The person who looks so innocent, can be the evil child molester.


This reminds me of Michael Jackson.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 9:50am:
Sexual abuse of children was rife and was never talked about, mainly because the victim was made to feel like they were in the wrong, usually getting a beating for telling lies.

Has anything changed with the numbers falling or rising?

I wouldn't have a clue because like back then, it seems that it's still just as hard for children to tell someone that they have been abused.

Sometimes it seems like almost everyone was confronted by some sort of sexual abuse.


This got me thinking. Yes, there is the possibility that the victim blames themselves for what happened, that nobody would believe them.

But .......... what if the thing that happened to some of these people wasn't sexual abuse, but rather just normal bullying and harassment. Also, what if there was no "abuse," bullying and harassment at all, but rather the person just felt hurt by something that happened, felt shy and embarrassed and calling it "sexual abuse" is the only way of dealing with it. The "perpetrator" may not have intended to inflict pain. The pain is real, but the term "sexual abuse" may be inaccurate.

I am in no way saying that these people are not "victims" and/or that they didn't suffer any pain, but that not all who report sexual abuse may have been victims of sexual abuse but something else, some other traumatic incident that involves the said "perpetrator." The incident may be so complex that calling it "sexual abuse" is just a way of simplifying things. The term "sexual abuse" is used because the hurt and shame that came from what happened is just as strong and painful as it would be if the person had really be sexually abused, making it equivalent.

One thing that many these "abuse" incidents have in common would be the "perpetrator's" position of power. These people may not have been sexually abused, but the incident they identify as sexual abuse is hurtful and shameful enough that it becomes equal to sexual abuse. They felt violated by someone in a position of power, and it felt like rape even if it wasn't literally sexual.

For example, if a teacher looks at a girl's breasts in a private place, ogles her and makes an out-of-character and un-teacher-like comment like, "you're the kind of girl I'd be banging if I could have what I wanted," a shy girl would feel really embarrassed, violated and hurt.

.......... maybe a girl trips over and her skirt flies up revealing more of her legs and a teacher says, "oh wow, what nice legs you have" or "oooo la la I wanna bugger you" and the girl goes red in the cheeks.

.......... or maybe a teacher makes fun of a shy boy for acting like he's homosexual. You know how being homosexual isn't considered "normal" or "cool" so it would be humiliating .......... or a teacher calls a boy a "girl." Some boys don't like being called girls.

......... or some other innuendo.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Spot of Borg
Gold Member
*****
Offline


WE ARE BORG

Posts: 26513
Australia
Re: Hey Dad: social philosophy.
Reply #59 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:29am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 9:22pm:
I am violent towards animals on a regular basis. But only the defenceless ones. That's how nature intended it.


I hope someone reports you for animal abuse. U hope you stay away from your neighbours pets . . .

SOB
Back to top
 

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a 
Moron!
- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope
WWW PoliticsAneReligion  
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Send Topic Print