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Reply #15 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:49pm
 
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Reply #16 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:27pm
 
52midnight wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 4:19pm:
I've dropped back in for a quick look at recent posts, and what strikes me most is the complete ignorance of what was once know as "The Social Contract between Capital and Labour". In spite of the long title, it's really very simple. For most of the last century, it was not only understood, but clearly enunciated, that any MAN who had a proper job was entitled to a wage (or salary) that enabled him to support a wife, some children, and eventually the mortgage on a house of his own. There were no disputes as to dollar value, entitlements, "sexual discrimination", superannuation, government subsidies, or such other legal quibblings. Commonsense was then in order, and the previous simple statement was all that was necessary.

Today it is different. Australia is the "clever country", and such clever people cannot allow so controversial a matter to go unchallenged. During the next year or so, you can expect the following things to happen:

1. The EFFECTIVE value of your wages/salary/income will steadily decrease.

2. The EFFECTIVE value of your savings will decrease as (carbon tax induced) inflation eats it away.

3. The value of all Australian investments (especially private housing) will decline.

4. The return on all Australian investments (especially pension funds) will decline.

This accords with the ongoing plan for corporate globalization (see Agenda21 and others) and has long been planned (see NewAmericanCentury.org)

If you identify as an Australian, then you are simply an atom in the global stew of mass indoctrination, and fit only for a future as a low-paid worker and consumer of cheap commodities - unless you "win" the Olympics or one of those horrible TV "Best of .." shows, in which case you become an "instant celebrity" for a year or so, and are then tossed back on the heap. This, in crude terms, is the NEW "social contract", though it's never openly discussed in the Mainstream Media.


What a lot of rubbish. There has never ever been such a contract. There has however been a generation in the past that bought houses according to their income and lived withing their means. Thats why families of 8 lived in 5 roomed houses. Now you think the 'social contract' would magically entitle them to a 7BR home, 2 cars and a smartphone for everyone.

Never been, never will be.
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Reply #17 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:30pm:
Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history.


What's the point of having better houses if people don't have a choice to buy cheaper ones? Is this society forcing us to progress to a higher quality of life, and therefore living a more expensive life without the option of a cheaper one? We might as well buy caravans and park in our friend's driveway.

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm:
what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone?


It's just what makes him an individual. Grin

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:30pm:
Is is not a class issue. Everyone is better off. And yes Saul, they can even afford the debt.


What about those who can't afford this lifestyle? What goes up has to come down. Life can't keep getting better and better. Future generations will have to pay for our recklessness. Everyone keeps aiming for a better life, but I don't think this is sustainable. It's better to be poor and satisfied with what you have than to be like Humpty Dumpty and have a great fall.

Life may be cheaper in the short term, but our society is not entirely of our own making. We are not an independent nation. For example, we import most of our oil from overseas. We buy cheap consumer products that were made in China and many of these products were designed in America. What happens if someone cuts off the supply? How would we survive?

We're going to have to start training horses for transport, rebuilding our factories and laboratories and stop people from doing Arts degrees. There aren't enough people studying science and engineering. When life gets hard, that's when the brain drain has to stop. That's when we start following the example of Germany.

Too many people want the easy life but not the bleeding and sweating to get there.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:41pm:
that for every winner, there must also be a loser.


Exactly. Life is a zero sum game. You win, someone else has to lose.
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Reply #18 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:39pm
 
Mnemonic wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:36pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:30pm:
Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history.


What's the point of having better houses if people don't have a choice to buy cheaper ones? Is this society forcing us to progress to a higher quality of life, and therefore living a more expensive life without the option of a cheaper one? We might as well buy caravans and park in our friend's driveway.

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm:
what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone?


It's just what makes him an individual. Grin

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:30pm:
Is is not a class issue. Everyone is better off. And yes Saul, they can even afford the debt.


What about those who can't afford this lifestyle? What goes up has to come down. Life can't keep getting better and better. Future generations will have to pay for our recklessness. Everyone keeps aiming for a better life, but I don't think this is sustainable. It's better to be poor and satisfied with what you have than to be like Humpty Dumpty and have a great fall.

Life may be cheaper in the short term, but our society is not entirely of our own making. We are not an independent nation. For example, we import most of our oil from overseas. We buy cheap consumer products that were made in China and many of these products were designed in America. What happens if someone cuts off the supply? How would we survive?

We're going to have to start training horses for transport, rebuilding our factories and laboratories and stop people from doing Arts degrees. There aren't enough people studying science and engineering. When life gets hard, that's when the brain drain has to stop. That's when we start following the example of Germany.
Too many people want the easy life but not the bleeding and sweating to get there.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:41pm:
that for every winner, there must also be a loser.


Exactly. Life is a zero sum game. You win, someone else has to lose.


You mean start war, kill tens of millions, lose and then try again a few years later?
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Reply #19 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:54pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:27pm:
There has however been a generation in the past that bought houses according to their income and lived withing their means. Thats why families of 8 lived in 5 roomed houses. Now you think the 'social contract' would magically entitle them to a 7BR home, 2 cars and a smartphone for everyone.

Never been, never will be.


You're right. Exactly. Everyone wants a piece of the action. We live in a society of Walter Mitty's who dream up the idea that "hey, when I grow up, I'm going get a great job, marry a beautiful woman or knight-in-shining armour, always-there-for-me-knows-all-my-needs husband," buy a house, a car, a TV, have a great sex life, a computer and have narcissistic visions of whatever great life they are going to have.

These people probably watched the Brady Bunch when they were little kids and thought that was the life they were getting when they grew up. People need to give up their Brady Bunch dreams.

Society is a hierarchy, not a socialist paradise. Nobody can have it all. People have to make a choice. You have to sacrifice one thing to get something else. You either have a great career, or you're going to grow a family. You either live in a mansion all by yourself, or you start a family. Families aren't supposed to live in mansions. Those who do usually break up and get divorced because rich people aren't very family-oriented. They're so stuck up in their greedy, snobbish ways that the money turns them into vile, obnoxious characters. You'd think the money would make them nicer people, but no, they're just the same or worse. The money reveals their true nature.
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Reply #20 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:55pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
You mean start war, kill tens of millions, lose and then try again a few years later?


I wasn't talking about the old Germany, but the new one.
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Reply #21 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:56pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:48pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:38pm:
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clearly ever growing numbers cannot afford it.


What if I wave my arms in the air and say they clearly can afford it?

well you are only lying to yourself


What are you talking about? People in India move asbestos around with handkerchiefs tied over their faces for two dollars a day.

In Australia, people on Newstart Allowance are getting $350 a week.

I don't understand how people can whinge. If they do, they have no idea how the other 80% live.

Australia won't get any better than this. In fact, we're probably in for a long decline. Wait until the mining boom ends.

This will be the Chinese century - with all that brings. For better or worse, whitey's had his day in the midday sun.
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Reply #22 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:08pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
You mean start war, kill tens of millions, lose and then try again a few years later?


I thought I should add, that the Germany that started WW2 was a Germany still in the colonial/imperial era of Europe. The European nations have given up the pursuit of empire-building. They're more interested in secular democracies now. Germany is highly unlikely to try what it did in WW2 again with the USA and Russia around.
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Reply #23 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:21pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
This will be the Chinese century - with all that brings. For better or worse, whitey's had his day in the midday sun.


A great strength is the willingness to lose. Lleyton Hewitt, for example wasn't the champion for very long. Nobody can be the alpha male or top dog all the time.

BTW, not everyone in this country is a whitey. It was just a society created by whiteys and others were invited to the party, and every party comes to an end.
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Reply #25 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:18pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm:
Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
They cant stop us agitating against their illegal activities or from suing their 'rses off - at the end of the day its a legal battle -... Smiley Smiley


what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone?

I am simply pointing out the truth, that they have no power over my legal rights under the magna Carta - I reject their mythological corporate social law and I will sue their freakin' 'rse off - I am here on this earth to fight fascism, to agitate people to sue them...people like Gillard, Abbott ect... Smiley Smiley


your doing no such thing ... to just repeat the same crap on every thread, makes you look like some crazy looney who is going senile ...

apart from the fact that you've been saying it for so long and yet not done it, that makes you look like you're either full of shyte or a coward
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Reply #26 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:20pm
 
Mnemonic wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm:
what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone?


It's just what makes him an individual. Grin



Does no such thing .. it makes him look like some senile old fool who's been hitting the bottle to hard.
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Reply #27 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:40pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:18pm:
your doing no such thing ... to just repeat the same crap on every thread, makes you look like some crazy looney who is going senile ...

apart from the fact that you've been saying it for so long and yet not done it, that makes you look like you're either full of shyte or a coward


is this guy a newbie ......... oh no, 4000 posts!!!! 10 times more than me.

Surely this wasn't just a recent development was it? If it was only the last 20 posts that's fine.
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Reply #28 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 10:11pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:18pm:
Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm:
Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
They cant stop us agitating against their illegal activities or from suing their 'rses off - at the end of the day its a legal battle -... Smiley Smiley


what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone?

I am simply pointing out the truth, that they have no power over my legal rights under the magna Carta - I reject their mythological corporate social law and I will sue their freakin' 'rse off - I am here on this earth to fight fascism, to agitate people to sue them...people like Gillard, Abbott ect... Smiley Smiley


your doing no such thing ... to just repeat the same crap on every thread, makes you look like some crazy looney who is going senile ...

apart from the fact that you've been saying it for so long and yet not done it, that makes you look like you're either full of shyte or a coward

Thats a lie you just cant handle the truth that we can defend ourselves...we can hunt down Nazis... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #29 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:42am
 
Mnemonic wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
This will be the Chinese century - with all that brings. For better or worse, whitey's had his day in the midday sun.


A great strength is the willingness to lose. Lleyton Hewitt, for example wasn't the champion for very long. Nobody can be the alpha male or top dog all the time.

BTW, not everyone in this country is a whitey. It was just a society created by whiteys and others were invited to the party, and every party comes to an end.


he was #1 for over 18months - longer than almost everyone else before or after him. Your point may be valid but your example is sorta an example of the opposite.
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