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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #105 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:25pm

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I believe a Christian who did not challenge in the High Court unconstitutional legislation changing the definition of marriage in the Parliament without a referendum will be asked to give account of why they did not stand on the day of evil...

Sweet! I haven't been to a good stoning for ages!

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Same sex marriage Reply #107 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:31pm The legislation decriminalizing Homosexuality can be overturned in the High Court because it has no mandate...
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Reply #108 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:33pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:25pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I believe a Christian who did not challenge in the High Court unconstitutional legislation changing the definition of marriage in the Parliament without a referendum will be asked to give account of why they did not stand on the day of evil...

Sweet! I haven't been to a good stoning for ages!

The Muslim world provides this to this day.

Afghanistan and Northern Somalia have both stoned to death girls for 'adultery' in the last 5 years - even though they were rape victims.
The men receive no punishment.

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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #109 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:35pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

You're a dill.

Your total inability to grasp even the most basic of concepts is exasperating to say the least.

1. The constitution gives the FEDERAL government power to legislate ALL marriage. S51

2. The constitution gives the FEDERAL government precedence over state legislation. s 109

3. The federal marriage act 2004 define marriage as between a man and a woman.

4. The state CANNOT redefine marriage in contravention of the federal act

If the FEDERAL government repeals or amends the amendment, then and ONLY then can the state change their acts to include gay marriage.

http://theconversation.edu.au/explainer-can-tasmania-legalise-same-sex-marriage-...

Anne Twomey
Professor of Constitutional Law at University of Sydney
DISCLOSURE STATEMENT

If the court decided that “marriage” in the Constitution did not include same-sex marriage, then there would be no issue of a conflict between State and Commonwealth laws.

While the Commonwealth Parliament can only make laws on specific subjects listed in the Constitution, the states have full legislative power to make laws on any subject as long as it is not taken away from them by the Commonwealth Constitution. So if the Constitution only permitted the Commonwealth to make laws in relation to marriage in its traditional sense, this would not stop the states from making laws about other forms of marriage.

The only question would be whether these other unions could still be described as “marriage” if they are outside the constitutional meaning of that term.

If, on the other hand, the High Court held that the Commonwealth can make laws with respect to both opposite-sex and same-sex marriage, then it would have to decide whether there was an inconsistency between any state law on marriage and the Commonwealth’s marriage law. If there was an inconsistency, then the Commonwealth law would prevail and the state law would be inoperative to the extent of the inconsistency.

Thank you Ms Toomey. A far more concise explanation than mine.

Note the first bit:

If the court decided that “marriage” in the Constitution did not include same-sex marriage, then there would be no issue of a conflict between State and Commonwealth laws.

The corollary to this would surely be that if the court decided that “marriage” in the Constitution did include same-sex marriage, then there would be an issue of the Marriage Act being discriminatory with respect to sexual preference.

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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #110 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:39pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Why are the left so pressed about this (non) issue? There are far bigger concerns in our country, such as the carbon tax, te regular boat arrivals and debt, and they're concerned about something this trivial, petty and frivolous.

why is Abbott so pressed about this non -issue? why doens't he just allow a conscience vote and be done with it .... he has lots of other issues he can say no no no too ....

He went to the last election with a promise of not amending the marriage act. To allow a conscience vote would be a breach of faith.

That's a good point.

It may be a good point if he won the election. But he didn't. he lost.

He should just allow a conscience vote as Labor a doing. Then we could forget about the whole thing.

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Reply #111 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:47pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:25pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I believe a Christian who did not challenge in the High Court unconstitutional legislation changing the definition of marriage in the Parliament without a referendum will be asked to give account of why they did not stand on the day of evil...

Sweet! I haven't been to a good stoning for ages!

The Muslim world provides this to this day.

Afghanistan and Northern Somalia have both stoned to death girls for 'adultery' in the last 5 years - even though they were rape victims.
The men receive no punishment.

All the more reason we need to stop the communists from abusing the freedoms of the constitutional process founded in British common law which guarantees freedom of religion and the people...

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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #112 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:48pm

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:25pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I believe a Christian who did not challenge in the High Court unconstitutional legislation changing the definition of marriage in the Parliament without a referendum will be asked to give account of why they did not stand on the day of evil...

Sweet! I haven't been to a good stoning for ages!

The Muslim world provides this to this day.

Afghanistan and Northern Somalia have both stoned to death girls for 'adultery' in the last 5 years - even though they were rape victims.
The men receive no punishment.

All the more reason we need to stop the communists from abusing the freedoms of the constitutional process founded in British common law which guarantees freedom of religion and the people...

I'm a big fan of stoning adulterers that's why gays should get married

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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #113 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:49pm

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:25pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I believe a Christian who did not challenge in the High Court unconstitutional legislation changing the definition of marriage in the Parliament without a referendum will be asked to give account of why they did not stand on the day of evil...

Sweet! I haven't been to a good stoning for ages!

The Muslim world provides this to this day.

Afghanistan and Northern Somalia have both stoned to death girls for 'adultery' in the last 5 years - even though they were rape victims.
The men receive no punishment.

All the more reason we need to stop the communists from abusing the freedoms of the constitutional process founded in British common law which guarantees freedom of religion and the people...

...providing they are white, hetrosexual people. Preferably male.

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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #114 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:50pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:25pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I believe a Christian who did not challenge in the High Court unconstitutional legislation changing the definition of marriage in the Parliament without a referendum will be asked to give account of why they did not stand on the day of evil...

Sweet! I haven't been to a good stoning for ages!

The Muslim world provides this to this day.

Afghanistan and Northern Somalia have both stoned to death girls for 'adultery' in the last 5 years - even though they were rape victims.
The men receive no punishment.

All the more reason we need to stop the communists from abusing the freedoms of the constitutional process founded in British common law which guarantees freedom of religion and the people...

I'm a big fan of stoning adulterers that's why gays should get married

But its against the law for poofters to get married...you can be prosecuted for it... Grin

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Reply #115 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:37pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

The SA Premier Jay Weatherill has backed same sex marriage so it looks like SA will be the first state to change the laws.
Im betting the rest of the country will soon follow suit once its proven the world wont come to an end if everyone has equal rights.

Congratulations.
The incest lobby believe the same thing.

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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #116 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:45pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:25pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I believe a Christian who did not challenge in the High Court unconstitutional legislation changing the definition of marriage in the Parliament without a referendum will be asked to give account of why they did not stand on the day of evil...

Sweet! I haven't been to a good stoning for ages!

The Muslim world provides this to this day.

Afghanistan and Northern Somalia have both stoned to death girls for 'adultery' in the last 5 years - even though they were rape victims.
The men receive no punishment.

All the more reason we need to stop the communists from abusing the freedoms of the constitutional process founded in British common law which guarantees freedom of religion and the people...

...providing they are white, hetrosexual people. Preferably male.

The law does not recognize race, So are you a racist? I argue only from the law and the rights it guarantees citizens and the restrictions it places on the Parliaments ability to legislate without a constitutional mandate....

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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Same sex marriage Reply #117 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:36am Well, I've been in a same sex marriage, for almost 40 years and there is only one power that has the power to annul this marriage!
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Same sex marriage Reply #118 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:38am perceptions_now wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:36am: Well, I've been in a same sex marriage, for almost 40 years and there is only one power that has the power to annul this marriage! Allow gay marriage, why should hetro's have a monopoly on misery.
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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Same sex marriage Reply #119 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:42am Its against the law for people of the same sex to get married - you can be prosecuted for it...its a little tedious repeating the obvious to the ignorant and uneducated...
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