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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #90 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:51pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Why are the left so pressed about this (non) issue? There are far bigger concerns in our country, such as the carbon tax, te regular boat arrivals and debt, and they're concerned about something this trivial, petty and frivolous.

If it's not an issue let it pass and move on.

It's not an issue to start.

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Reply #91 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:51pm

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Why are the left so pressed about this (non) issue? There are far bigger concerns in our country, such as the carbon tax, te regular boat arrivals and debt, and they're concerned about something this trivial, petty and frivolous.

If it's not an issue let it pass and move on.

It is an issue - the Parliament has no right to legislate summarily on these matters without a referendum...if they can do this they will claim the power to be able to legislate on religious belief as well...Its a huge issue relating to the power of the Parliament over our lives that no citizen can ignore...

Given that the majority of Aussies support gay marriage and equality for all Australians a referendum would easily come down in favour of equal rights for gay and lesbian Aussies.

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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #92 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:52pm

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Why are the left so pressed about this (non) issue? There are far bigger concerns in our country, such as the carbon tax, te regular boat arrivals and debt, and they're concerned about something this trivial, petty and frivolous.

why is Abbott so pressed about this non -issue? why doens't he just allow a conscience vote and be done with it .... he has lots of other issues he can say no no no too ....

He went to the last election with a promise of not amending the marriage act. To allow a conscience vote would be a breach of faith.

That's a good point.

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Same sex marriage Reply #93 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:52pm Every Christian must know if they can get away with this legislation they can legislate to ban their religion without a referendum unless they challenge it in the High Court....
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Same sex marriage Reply #94 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:53pm Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:52pm: Every Christian must know if they can get away with this legislation they can legislate to ban their religion without a referendum unless they challenge it in the High Court.... Being a good Communist Freemason Im in favour of banning all religions
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Reply #95 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Why are the left so pressed about this (non) issue? There are far bigger concerns in our country, such as the carbon tax, te regular boat arrivals and debt, and they're concerned about something this trivial, petty and frivolous.

If it's not an issue let it pass and move on.

It is an issue - the Parliament has no right to legislate summarily on these matters without a referendum...if they can do this they will claim the power to be able to legislate on religious belief as well...Its a huge issue relating to the power of the Parliament over our lives that no citizen can ignore...

Given that the majority of Aussies support gay marriage and equality for all Australians a referendum would easily come down in favour of equal rights for gay and lesbian Aussies.

Thats not true and if you believe this what problem do you have with a referendum> The pollies all know none of their constituents favor a change in the traditional definition of marriage between a man and a woman...

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Reply #96 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:55pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

Every Christian must know if they can get away with this legislation they can legislate to ban their religion without a referendum unless they challenge it in the High Court....

Being a good Communist Freemason Im in favour of banning all religions

Two words - High Court & Constitution...

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Reply #97 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Why are the left so pressed about this (non) issue? There are far bigger concerns in our country, such as the carbon tax, te regular boat arrivals and debt, and they're concerned about something this trivial, petty and frivolous.

If it's not an issue let it pass and move on.

It is an issue - the Parliament has no right to legislate summarily on these matters without a referendum...if they can do this they will claim the power to be able to legislate on religious belief as well...Its a huge issue relating to the power of the Parliament over our lives that no citizen can ignore...

Given that the majority of Aussies support gay marriage and equality for all Australians a referendum would easily come down in favour of equal rights for gay and lesbian Aussies.

Thats not true and if you believe this what problem do you have with a referendum> The pollies all know none of their constituents favor a change in the traditional definition of marriage between a man and a woman...

Im happy to have a referendum on it Tongue

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Reply #98 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Why are the left so pressed about this (non) issue? There are far bigger concerns in our country, such as the carbon tax, te regular boat arrivals and debt, and they're concerned about something this trivial, petty and frivolous.

why is Abbott so pressed about this non -issue? why doens't he just allow a conscience vote and be done with it .... he has lots of other issues he can say no no no too ....

He went to the last election with a promise of not amending the marriage act. To allow a conscience vote would be a breach of faith.

That's a good point.

he lost the last election ... derrr..... that means he gets a clean slate to start again ..

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Same sex marriage Reply #99 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:58pm That's also a good point. Just like he's reneging on stopping the boats.
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Reply #100 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:59pm

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1. FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta#Clauses_still_in_force_today

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Reply #101 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:01pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Why are the left so pressed about this (non) issue? There are far bigger concerns in our country, such as the carbon tax, te regular boat arrivals and debt, and they're concerned about something this trivial, petty and frivolous.

If it's not an issue let it pass and move on.

It is an issue - the Parliament has no right to legislate summarily on these matters without a referendum...if they can do this they will claim the power to be able to legislate on religious belief as well...Its a huge issue relating to the power of the Parliament over our lives that no citizen can ignore...

Given that the majority of Aussies support gay marriage and equality for all Australians a referendum would easily come down in favour of equal rights for gay and lesbian Aussies.

Thats not true and if you believe this what problem do you have with a referendum> The pollies all know none of their constituents favor a change in the traditional definition of marriage between a man and a woman...

Im happy to have a referendum on it Tongue

Rubbish - your communist leader Sarah Hanson Young wont hear about it - you are too chicken to put this to the people... Grin

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Re: Same sex marriage
Reply #103 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:17pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

You're a dill.

Your total inability to grasp even the most basic of concepts is exasperating to say the least.

1. The constitution gives the FEDERAL government power to legislate ALL marriage. S51

Not quite. The constitution gives the FEDERAL parliament power to legislate marriage. S51
It says nothing about ALL marriage. That is something you just made up

Please stop making things up. Telling lies is neither big nor clever.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

2. The constitution gives the FEDERAL government precedence over state legislation. s 109

Yes - Where an inconsistency occurs between State and Federal legislation, The constitution gives the FEDERAL government precedence over state legislation. s 109

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

3. The federal marriage act 2004 define marriage as between a man and a woman.

Yes - the federal marriage act 2004 define marriage as between a man and a woman FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE MARRIAGE ACT. It is a narrow definition applicable only to that Act. Not some all-encompassing amendment to the english language to apply everywhere for ever and ever amen. It only applies to that Act.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

4. The state CANNOT redefine marriage in contravention of the federal act

A state may define 'marriage' however it likes, so long as no law passed by the State Parliament is inconsistent with any Federal law. And since the Federal Law is BY DEFINITION only applicable to hetro marriages - then ther is clearly no inconsistency with an Act relating to homo marriage.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

If the FEDERAL government repeals or amends the amendment, then and ONLY then can the state change their acts to include gay marriage.

A State may pass any Act it likes so long as it is not inconsistent under s109.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

This conversation is FVCKEN OVER, your are as moronic and infantile as prevailing/ greens_win and corpulent whitey and as such you will be treated withe same contempt as they are. Angry

Oh oh.... Sound's like someone is getting cranky! You must be tired. Poor dear.
I hope you have learnt something today. Because you really don't seem to know much about this subject

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Same sex marriage Reply #104 - Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:24pm The legislation decriminalizing Homosexuality is unconstitutional and has not been tested in the High Court...every Christian is responsible to challenge this legislation in the High Court...
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