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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Islamic law and military service Reply #15 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:28am That's funny freediver. Like you alluded to, he's on here pulling us up and disgraceful things written on his muslim site never get so much as a complaint from him. Very selective indeed.
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Reply #16 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:10am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:19pm:

I'm not aware of any obligatory state military service according to Islam.

Apologies. I found it now. It seems I had you confused with Malik. Is this a Shite thing?

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 1:11pm:

Yes, a small levy is imposed because Muslims are obligated to serve in the military and protect the citizens of the Islamic State, that includes non-Muslims.

Non Muslims however are not obligated to join the army, nor defend the nation in case of attack.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:19pm:

However if a Muslim land is occupied or attacked, then it's obligatory upon all Muslims to protect it, as a group responsibility.

Interesting. I know you think the last Caliphate ended last century. However I am pretty sure Falah considered Afghanistan to be a proper Islamic state. Would that mean he would feel obligued to go and defend it? Perhaps that is where he disappeared to.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:19pm:

What exactly are you driving at there? You think Muslims for instance from Australia, would have to go and serve in the army of the Caliphate, like how Jewish Australians today go and do their military service for the Zionist army? And that therefore somehow they are not loyal Australian citizens?

I guess you answered that above.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

Women have been involved in military campaigns since the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself.

Can you give some examples please?

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Reply #17 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:16am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:40am:

This is your army Avram? Murdering women and little kids who surrendered? You must be so proud of these animals, and the scumbags who make a mockery of the war crimes they committed by giving them 45 days.

Israeli soldier gets 45 days for killings

An Israeli soldier charged with manslaughter after shooting dead a Palestinian mother and daughter waving a white flag during the 2009 offensive in the Gaza Strip has been sentenced to 45 days in prison after a plea bargain changed the charges to illegal use of a weapon.

A statement on Sunday from the Israeli military spokesman noted the plea bargain was reached "following a mediation process and upon examination of the evidence with the recommendation of the military court".

A manslaughter conviction could have carried a 20-year prison sentence.

The soldier, who has since completed his military service and was identified in media reports only as S, was accused of killing Ria Abu Hajaj, 64, and her daughter Majda, 37, as they were waving a white flag.
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They were part of a group fleeing the fighting on January 4, 2009, the first day of Israel's ground offensive against Gaza militants.

Soldiers in Gaza had received reports that a fighter, who could open fire on the troops, was hiding among women trying to get away.

S, and other soldiers, opened fire at the women, in defiance of orders.

His lawyers argued there was no proven connection between his opening fire and the deaths of the two women. They further claimed the two events took place at different times.

The incident was one of several cited in the United Nations-initiated Goldstone Report, compiled after South African judge Richard Goldstone led a fact-finding mission to the Gaza Strip to investigate claims of war crimes during Israel's December 2008-January 2009 Operation Cast Lead against Gaza militias.

The 575-page report accused both the Israeli military and Palestinian militants of war crimes and said Israeli soldiers had deliberately targeted civilians.

Goldstone [a Jew!] later retracted some of his accusations against Israel.

The other members of his team did not.

Source: The Age

You will understand that I am still in the Israeli army so I cannot comment on any story like this.

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Reply #18 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:16am:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:40am:

This is your army Avram? Murdering women and little kids who surrendered? You must be so proud of these animals, and the scumbags who make a mockery of the war crimes they committed by giving them 45 days.

Israeli soldier gets 45 days for killings

An Israeli soldier charged with manslaughter after shooting dead a Palestinian mother and daughter waving a white flag during the 2009 offensive in the Gaza Strip has been sentenced to 45 days in prison after a plea bargain changed the charges to illegal use of a weapon.

A statement on Sunday from the Israeli military spokesman noted the plea bargain was reached "following a mediation process and upon examination of the evidence with the recommendation of the military court".

A manslaughter conviction could have carried a 20-year prison sentence.

The soldier, who has since completed his military service and was identified in media reports only as S, was accused of killing Ria Abu Hajaj, 64, and her daughter Majda, 37, as they were waving a white flag.
Advertisement

They were part of a group fleeing the fighting on January 4, 2009, the first day of Israel's ground offensive against Gaza militants.

Soldiers in Gaza had received reports that a fighter, who could open fire on the troops, was hiding among women trying to get away.

S, and other soldiers, opened fire at the women, in defiance of orders.

His lawyers argued there was no proven connection between his opening fire and the deaths of the two women. They further claimed the two events took place at different times.

The incident was one of several cited in the United Nations-initiated Goldstone Report, compiled after South African judge Richard Goldstone led a fact-finding mission to the Gaza Strip to investigate claims of war crimes during Israel's December 2008-January 2009 Operation Cast Lead against Gaza militias.

The 575-page report accused both the Israeli military and Palestinian militants of war crimes and said Israeli soldiers had deliberately targeted civilians.

Goldstone [a Jew!] later retracted some of his accusations against Israel.

The other members of his team did not.

Source: The Age

You will understand that I am still in the Israeli army so I cannot comment on any story like this.

why the f*ck are you posting here?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Islamic law and military service Reply #19 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:49pm Because I live in Australia this year and I post on this and USA and French forums. Like all Israelis we stay as a reservist after military service until 40 years old. It is important to us.
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Reply #20 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:34pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:16am:

You will understand that I am still in the Israeli army so I cannot comment on any story like this.

Of course you don't wanna comment about being a member of a despicable inhuman terrorist organisation like that, which goes around butchering women and children.

You're a maggot.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Islamic law and military service Reply #21 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:46pm As a organization we defend and protect our people from the aggression of our neighbors. That is what we do. Like my father and uncles before me I am proud Israeli and serve army service and then reservist. Never again will the Jewish people suffer holocausts. Ever, again!
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: Islamic law and military service Reply #22 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:51am So its bad if muslims serve in their military but good if jews do huh. SOB
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Reply #23 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:52am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:46pm:

As a organization we defend and protect our people from the aggression of our neighbors.
That is what we do.
Like my father and uncles before me I am proud Israeli and serve army service and then reservist.

Never again will the Jewish people suffer holocausts.
Ever, again!

But its fine to perpetrate them huh?

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Reply #24 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:20am

Of course you don't wanna comment about being a member of a despicable inhuman terrorist organisation like that, which goes around butchering women and children.

You're a maggot. By Abu.

Never mind all of the people killed by terrorists bombings inside Isreal hey. Oh, and we'll skip the rockets fired at Isreal . And we'll even skip the fact that a whole bunch of neighbouring arab muslim countries tried to invade them and had their butts kicked. I just don't understand how a person with half a neuron could overlook such facts.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49016 At my desk.	Re: Islamic law and military service Reply #25 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 3:23pm Dave, when you are responding, you can scroll down and highlight a piece of text you want to quote, and hit the "mark and quote' button. It inserts the text and some BBCode to put a box around it. There is also a button to insert the BBCode around some text - the one with the blue arrow above the colour bar.
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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Islamic law and military service Reply #26 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:08pm Sorry Freediver. I'm hopeless on a computer. Cheers.
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Reply #27 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:31am

Big Dave wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:20am:

Never mind all of the people killed by terrorists bombings inside Isreal hey. Oh, and we'll skip the rockets fired at Isreal . And we'll even skip the fact that a whole bunch of neighbouring arab muslim countries tried to invade them and had their butts kicked. I just don't understand how a person with half a neuron could overlook such facts.

ٍOk, so you think the Muslims mishandled the mass illegal immigration of Jews into their land and their taking over it and turning it into a Jewish-state...

So tell us what you would do if Muslims did the same to Australia? I'm honestly interested in what you think the correct way to handle such a massive swamping and saturation of your population by a foreign people seeking to overrun your land and make it exclusively theirs.

Not one of you tossers on here has ever honestly answered this scenario, and I doubt you specifically have the grey matter to be the first, but please at least attempt it, be my guest.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Islamic law and military service Reply #28 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:55am Mishandled?? A bus of women and children deliberately blow up by bomb. Killing people in schools and marketplaces? Shooting at me from inside a alleged refugee camp? Let me tell you, it is not mishandled - they are terrorist pigs who we will drive into the sea if we wish.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Islamic law and military service Reply #29 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:58am I feel very strong about the deaths of innocent civilians killed by Muslim terror and it is a reason for why I am so proud to serve my time in the IDF and stay a reservist.
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