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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #15 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

That argument would have to be 100times better to even be mocked as silly. Try again, this time trying not to look so dumb.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends. Reply #16 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:29pm Looks to me like Kat has the right idea. No weekend penalty rates = No weekend work.
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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends. Reply #17 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:10pm Quote: Looks to me like Kat has the right idea. No weekend penalty rates = No weekend work. and no open shops! that will upset you, wont it? no place to go and sit all day and do nothing using their heating and cooling and free toilets?
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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends. Reply #18 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:14pm Enough shops will open. Some will, others will decide to stay closed. Not a problem.
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Reply #19 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:52pm

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Enough shops will open. Some will, others will decide to stay closed. Not a problem. Wink

yeah, great for the workers. Then they dont get paid AT ALL. See, this is the issue that you just dont get. Working is not a free ride. If the employer cannot afford to pay $x they either go broke or sack the employee. You just dont get that essential economic maxim.

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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #20 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:20pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

That argument would have to be 100times better to even be mocked as silly. Try again, this time trying not to look so dumb.

It is the same premise - just a small step further.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58867 Here Gender:	Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends. Reply #21 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:23pm Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:54am: No penalty rates? Don't hold your breath expecting me to work weekends then, won't you? Cos it AIN'T gonna happen. Unfortunatly many people don't have the option - almost nobody wants to work weekends.
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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #22 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:25pm

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

They don't do penalty rates in Asia.

We don't have to eat dogs in Australia.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58867 Here Gender:	Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends. Reply #23 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:27pm Penalty rates are the free market system is action: If you want to allocate prime hours you need to pay a prime rate.
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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #24 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:29pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

They don't do penalty rates in Asia.

We don't have to eat dogs in Australia.

Yet.

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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #25 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

That argument would have to be 100times better to even be mocked as silly. Try again, this time trying not to look so dumb.

It is the same premise - just a small step further.

not even close. it is the classic stretching of a concept to extents it was never intended to go, to try and prove a point that isnt there. If you tried that on a debating team you'd get thrown off and laughed at - deservedly.

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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #26 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:40pm

Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

They don't do penalty rates in Asia.

We don't have to eat dogs in Australia.

Yet.

$6 dagwood dogs at the show, it was a sunday though 20 % surcharge

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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #27 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

They don't do penalty rates in Asia.

We don't have to eat dogs in Australia.

Yet.

$6 dagwood dogs at the show, it was a sunday though 20 % surcharge

surcharges may end up coming into being which would be sad because that would damage weekend shopping but with margins dropping and volume also dropping there simply isnt room now for the excesses of penatly rates. Perhaps a 25% penaly rate instead of 50-100%. Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me.

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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #28 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:05pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

They don't do penalty rates in Asia.

We don't have to eat dogs in Australia.

Yet.

$6 dagwood dogs at the show, it was a sunday though 20 % surcharge

surcharges may end up coming into being which would be sad because that would damage weekend shopping but with margins dropping and volume also dropping there simply isnt room now for the excesses of penatly rates. Perhaps a 25% penaly rate instead of 50-100%. Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me.

Cafe near me has a 20% surcharge on Sundays. Other cafes nearby have no surcharge.

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Re: A New Union Campaign - Save Our Aussie Weekends.
Reply #29 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

You can make the same argument for Tuesdays, why should the employer have to pay wages on Tuesdays - everyone should be happy to work for free on this day.

It is only fair if we are going to be compedative?

They don't do penalty rates in Asia.

We don't have to eat dogs in Australia.

Yet.

$6 dagwood dogs at the show, it was a sunday though 20 % surcharge

Hmmm, forgot about them.... Huh

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