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Reply #60 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:23pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

This forum does suffer from fairly lame moderation especially inthe protection of defamatory comments or abusive behaviour. If you complain to FD he pretends he knows nothing about it, demands you show him evidence and then pretends he didnt see it and then do nothing. The weakest area of this site is PROTECTION of posters from abuse and defamation. and its not hard to fix. It just requires moderators to moderate firmly fairly and without bias.

I've been staying out of the threads that have degenerated into abuse and name-calling.

Sadly, these days that's just about all of them. Cry

Trying to post on-topic, or putting up a sensible post, is just a waste of time.

No wonder that so many simply no longer bother.

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Reply #61 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:24pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ...

'' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..."

not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer

Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

Niced try - but the bay is in Cuba..... it is not soverign american territory. No cigat there

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Re: Angus Houston Report - Coalition was right!
Reply #64 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:48pm

Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

This forum does suffer from fairly lame moderation especially inthe protection of defamatory comments or abusive behaviour. If you complain to FD he pretends he knows nothing about it, demands you show him evidence and then pretends he didnt see it and then do nothing. The weakest area of this site is PROTECTION of posters from abuse and defamation. and its not hard to fix. It just requires moderators to moderate firmly fairly and without bias.

I've been staying out of the threads that have degenerated into abuse and name-calling.

Sadly, these days that's just about all of them. Cry

Trying to post on-topic, or putting up a sensible post, is just a waste of time.

No wonder that so many simply no longer bother.

Angry

I am sorry - but can any others see the irony in Gold Medal's post?

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Re: Angus Houston Report - Coalition was right!
Reply #65 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:53pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ...

'' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..."

not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer

Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

where do you come up with this crap? Gillard had already negotiated various extra conditions be met by the Malaysians that they aren't bound to with their own asylum seekers ... if the report feels that she needs to take it further fine, but don't tell me she can't .... you have a habit of making things up don't you?

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Reply #66 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:53pm

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

This forum does suffer from fairly lame moderation especially inthe protection of defamatory comments or abusive behaviour. If you complain to FD he pretends he knows nothing about it, demands you show him evidence and then pretends he didnt see it and then do nothing. The weakest area of this site is PROTECTION of posters from abuse and defamation. and its not hard to fix. It just requires moderators to moderate firmly fairly and without bias.

I've been staying out of the threads that have degenerated into abuse and name-calling.

Sadly, these days that's just about all of them. Cry

Trying to post on-topic, or putting up a sensible post, is just a waste of time.

No wonder that so many simply no longer bother.

Angry

I am sorry - but can any others see the irony in Gold Medal's post?

I can.
But I bet he can't.

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Re: Angus Houston Report - Coalition was right!
Reply #67 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:42pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ...

'' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..."

not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer

Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

and that is why malaysia REFUSES to sign the refugee convention as they have no intention of treating them properly. It is also why everyone except Gillard opposed it including many of her own party. And now she doesnt have to use malaysia becaus now suddenly the amazingly effective Howard Solution is going back into place.

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Re: Angus Houston Report - Coalition was right!
Reply #68 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:26pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ...

'' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..."

not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer

Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

where do you come up with this crap? Gillard had already negotiated various extra conditions be met by the Malaysians that they aren't bound to with their own asylum seekers ... if the report feels that she needs to take it further fine, but don't tell me she can't .... you have a habit of making things up don't you?

Did she get a guarantee that no people sent from Australia to Malaysia would be subject to corporal punishment in the form of the cane? No, she didn't!

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Re: Angus Houston Report - Coalition was right!
Reply #69 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:27pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ...

'' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..."

not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer

Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

and that is why malaysia REFUSES to sign the refugee convention as they have no intention of treating them properly. It is also why everyone except Gillard opposed it including many of her own party. And now she doesnt have to use malaysia becaus now suddenly the amazingly effective Howard Solution is going back into place.

I just hope they reinstate TPV's, because that was a BIG part of the deterrent.

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Re: Angus Houston Report - Coalition was right!
Reply #70 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:52pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

I like how he said, basically, turn back boats where safe to do so. It was not that dissimilar to Abbotts turn back the boats except it was a more defined vague statement if thats possible.

No - the report does not say that at all. What the report says is:

The panel notes that the conditions necessary for effective, lawful and safe turnback of irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers to australia are not currently met but that this situation could change in the future, in particular if appropriate regional and bilateral arrangements are in place

That is nothing like Abbotts "turn back the boats"

Yeh, thats what I said. Vague turn back the boats.

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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Angus Houston Report - Coalition was right! Reply #71 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:09pm So, now that the LNP have been proven Right? Does that mean that, since the "special report" has agreed with the LNP that the LNP will agree with their own policy and agree to pass what they agree is Right?
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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Angus Houston Report - Coalition was right! Reply #72 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:18pm Julia Gillard 2003: Labor will end the Pacific solution, the so-called Pacific Solution, the processing and detaining of asylum seekers on Pacific islands because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle.
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Reply #73 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:50pm

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:18pm:

Julia Gillard 2003:

Labor will end the Pacific solution, the so-called Pacific Solution, the processing and detaining of asylum seekers on Pacific islands because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle.

Just one statement, desicion, policy change, that is so dam dumb, so inept, so incompetent, out of a list of thousands from labor.

Come on next election. Australians want the idiots labor gone and their corrupt gaoled.

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Reply #74 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:53am

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:50pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:18pm:

Julia Gillard 2003:

Labor will end the Pacific solution, the so-called Pacific Solution, the processing and detaining of asylum seekers on Pacific islands because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle.

Just one statement, desicion, policy change, that is so dam dumb, so inept, so incompetent, out of a list of thousands from labor.

Come on next election. Australians want the idiots labor gone and their corrupt gaoled.

Labor: all soundbites, no common sense.

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