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Reply #105 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:08am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:18am:
shock as the thread moves on to the childish subject of socks.

yes you,d think "Shane" and "sexy beast" wouldn't be silly enough to sock up and then query why they were spotted but that is the world of an attention seeking troll.  hey, at least we got your obligatory daily bitch. Roll Eyes
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Reply #106 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am
 
Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:10am:
Shane B wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:52am:
Id you were up to speed today you would have heard the Coalition are supporting ALL of the recommendations.


Yes, politically Tony has been painted into a corner. With some tweaks, this is effectively what was on the table last time around and he voted it down. He can't go against it this time so already he's got egg on his face.

If the boats don't stop, Labor can point to Abbott and said they went along with his demands and the boats didn't stop. If the boats do stop Labor can say they followed expert advice and hey presto it worked and so didn't they do a good job.

By the way for all the ignorants claiming this is the Pacific Solution down to the last comma and full stop - WRONG. Paris Aristotle (one of the members of the advisory panel) denied that claim emphatically in his interview on Lateline last night and pointed out the significant differences. For instance:

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PARIS ARISTOTLE: No. There would have to be accommodation established for them. They may have to return to that accommodation each evening, but it's not intended that it would be a detention centre in any of the proposed transfer arrangements.


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I heard one comment that was made by one of the political parties that said what we were proposing was to set up a network of detention centres across the Pacific. That is a completely false and inaccurate characterisation of what is in the report and if the report had've been read, it would've been impossible for them to come to that conclusion.


http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3567010.htm

The recommendations also include the setting up of regional processing centres with the reopening of current centres as a transitional arrangement. Who knows, even the Greens may support that. We'll see.


If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think.
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Reply #107 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm
 
Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am:
If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think.


Yes, true. IF they support it...

On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking.
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Reply #108 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:07pm
 
Oh I hope phony Tony knocks it back and won't support it, I'd love to see this ,which he considers a strength, be his undoing. I guarantee the voters will not take kindly to phony tony trying to wedge this any further.
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Reply #109 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm
 
How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?
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Reply #110 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:14pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?

if its allowed, this will be contested in court ,like Malaysia was, and if it is found to be illegal phony tony will have sh it all over him.
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Reply #111 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:30pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?


It's 1200 bobby. At a squeeze its 1500 but that's the absolute maximum.

Malaysia will take 800 in the deal that was struck, although who knows. If there's to be a rejigging of the agreement then they may change those numbers.
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Reply #112 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm
 
Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am:
If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think.


Yes, true. IF they support it...

On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking.


Greens are not needed.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection.

Julia Gillard has backed an expert panel on asylum seeker policy which recommends processing arrivals on Nauru and Papua New Guinea, as was done under the previous coalition government's Pacific solution.

Mr Abbott on Tuesday said he welcomed the prime minister's policy conversion but said it should have come "much, much earlier".

"We've had 22,000 illegal arrivals, we've had almost 400 illegal boats, we've had hundreds of drownings at sea because the current government changed a policy that worked," he told reporters in Canberra.

"The problem on our borders has to be sheeted home directly to the government of the day."

Mr Abbott said he'd been saying for years Ms Gillard should pick up the phone to Nauru's president and it seemed she was finally going to do it.

But he insisted offshore processing was just one of three critical elements of border protection, alongside temporary protection visas and turning back the boats when safe to do so.

"To the extent that this legislation allows good policy we will support it," Mr Abbott said.

But he remains sceptical that Labor can make Nauru work "given this government's constant failures".

Mr Abbott said expert panel chair Angus Houston had supported the coalition's position that it was "operationally possible" to turn boats around and that the government's so-called Malaysian solution, as it stood, was flawed.

"I would be very, very surprised if we ever see the Malaysia people swap raise its head again."

Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare says Nauru could be reopened within "weeks not months" after parliament passes the necessary laws.

PNG's Manus Island centre would be up and running "as soon as possible".

The government already had given directions to the Australian Defence Force to establish facilities there as quickly as possible, Mr Clare said.

"First and foremost we need to come to an agreement with both of those nations to establish facilities," he told reporters.

"The sooner we get the legislation through the parliament the sooner we can establish a facility at Nauru and Manus (Island) and the sooner we can stop people risking their lives."

Mr Clare denied the government was engaged in a massive backflip, instead calling it a "compromise".

He said independent oversight at Nauru and Manus Island and doubling the refugee intake meant Labor's policy was "much broader" than the Pacific solution.
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Reply #113 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:34pm
 
skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:14pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?

if its allowed, this will be contested in court ,like Malaysia was, and if it is found to be illegal phony tony will have sh it all over him.


Thats why they are changing the legislation, so they dont have that problem.
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Reply #114 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?




I think you will find its a whole new ball game over there.. the Pm wants them there to start with and they also are members of the UN convention now..

so it would all have to be correct and safe for everyone..dont forget during the Howard years we only received 61% of those that ended up on Nauru where as now we get the lot..

we area sitting duck for Indonesia to do what it likes with us..and I am sure everyone but the blind can see that...they are playing with us.. taking our money for all we know transporting their criminals..

these so called asylums seekers FLY in to Indonesia...for the most part,
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Reply #115 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:02pm
 
Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am:
If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think.


Yes, true. IF they support it...

On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking.


Greens are not needed.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection.

Julia Gillard has backed an expert panel on asylum seeker policy which recommends processing arrivals on Nauru and Papua New Guinea, as was done under the previous coalition government's Pacific solution.

Mr Abbott on Tuesday said he welcomed the prime minister's policy conversion but said it should have come "much, much earlier".

"We've had 22,000 illegal arrivals, we've had almost 400 illegal boats, we've had hundreds of drownings at sea because the current government changed a policy that worked," he told reporters in Canberra.

"The problem on our borders has to be sheeted home directly to the government of the day."

Mr Abbott said he'd been saying for years Ms Gillard should pick up the phone to Nauru's president and it seemed she was finally going to do it.

But he insisted offshore processing was just one of three critical elements of border protection, alongside temporary protection visas and turning back the boats when safe to do so.

"To the extent that this legislation allows good policy we will support it," Mr Abbott said.

But he remains sceptical that Labor can make Nauru work "given this government's constant failures".

Mr Abbott said expert panel chair Angus Houston had supported the coalition's position that it was "operationally possible" to turn boats around and that the government's so-called Malaysian solution, as it stood, was flawed.

"I would be very, very surprised if we ever see the Malaysia people swap raise its head again."

Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare says Nauru could be reopened within "weeks not months" after parliament passes the necessary laws.

PNG's Manus Island centre would be up and running "as soon as possible".

The government already had given directions to the Australian Defence Force to establish facilities there as quickly as possible, Mr Clare said.

"First and foremost we need to come to an agreement with both of those nations to establish facilities," he told reporters.

"The sooner we get the legislation through the parliament the sooner we can establish a facility at Nauru and Manus (Island) and the sooner we can stop people risking their lives."

Mr Clare denied the government was engaged in a massive backflip, instead calling it a "compromise".

He said independent oversight at Nauru and Manus Island and doubling the refugee intake meant Labor's policy was "much broader" than the Pacific solution.






Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

compromise.. hilarious.
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Reply #116 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:03pm
 
Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am:
If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think.


Yes, true. IF they support it...

On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking.


Greens are not needed.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection.


Yeah, he couldn't do much else BUT go along with it could he? He has been cornered. Six weeks ago when this proposal was put to him he rejected it, now he has to go along with it. If he rejected it now his arse would be grass. What a dick.  Grin Grin
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Reply #117 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:14pm
 
Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am:
If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think.


Yes, true. IF they support it...

On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking.


The problem with that is the Greens are the lastnail of politics. if you dont agree 100% with them then they abuse you even if you are giving them some of what they ask. This is why both parties want to be rid of the Greens in a way they weren as fussed by the democrats. You simply CANNOT negotiate or compromise with the Greens so your only option is to ignore them and override them - which is what Gillard has doen, albeit thru close to toal surrender on her own flawed policy.
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Reply #118 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:18pm
 
Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?


It's 1200 bobby. At a squeeze its 1500 but that's the absolute maximum.

Malaysia will take 800 in the deal that was struck, although who knows. If there's to be a rejigging of the agreement then they may change those numbers.



What if they put up barbed wire camps with machine gun guard posts on towers?
You could probably have 4 or 5 concentration camps with 10,000 in each one.
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Reply #119 - Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:27pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?


It's 1200 bobby. At a squeeze its 1500 but that's the absolute maximum.

Malaysia will take 800 in the deal that was struck, although who knows. If there's to be a rejigging of the agreement then they may change those numbers.



What if they put up barbed wire camps with machine gun guard posts on towers?
You could probably have 4 or 5 concentration camps with 10,000 in each one.


I cant tell if you are trying to be clever (and failing) or just being your usual dumb (and succeeding).
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