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Reply #15 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:57pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

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MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:26pm:

Will this neutralize the issue?

Well phony tony won't be able to parrot stop the boats rark rark stop the boats,every five minutes.
That mixed with the fact the carbon tax has not created the mayhem phony tony and the solid gold conga line said it will and Labor going up 5 points on the last news poll is likely just the beginning.

are you even capable of an intellectual response? Your beloved labor have given in and gone for the HOWARD SOLUTION. Howard and Abbott's view onthe matters is now endorsed by the labor party.

Thats one liberal policy now in place thanks to abbott. now we just need a few more...

Piss off troll. you bore me.The fact you call Labor my beloved just highlights your stature as the forum simpleton, given I gave Gillard a serve for these actions.

Good for you, skippy. What won't be discussed on these threads tonight is the humanitarian cost of this policy. It won't be discussed because Tony has successfully framed the problem as stopping the boats.

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Re: Labor to act quickly to reopen Nauru.
Reply #16 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:01pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:47pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:37pm:

My bet is that Tony will try and get TPVs into the legislation to keep the issue alive. I can't see him voting down the legislation, but he'll have coverage if the boats keep on coming and he gets blamed for stalling on Malaysia.

Abbott had a pretty big win today. He got most of HIS policy in place. That always looks good to voters because here is Abbott getting the only sensible policy into place FROM OPPOSITION. So imagine what he will acheive as PM? thats the perception that labor faces - that Gillard is a stubborn policy dunce while even the govts own advisors want Abbotts policy. Thats electoral gold!

he got exactly what he said no to 6 weeks ago .... in my books it makes him look like the looser

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59099 Here Gender:	Re: Labor to act quickly to reopen Nauru. Reply #17 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:02pm Labor go fron one carp policy (Malaysia) to another rubbish policy Malaysia and Nauru etc. No real difference but I tip that Tnoy will find a reason to block it - he likes the boats.
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Reply #18 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:03pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out.

it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived.

Big win for Abbott today.

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Reply #19 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:04pm

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again?

because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology.

Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia.

And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia.

when did labor admit that? are you hearing voices again?

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Reply #20 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:04pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:55pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again?

because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology.

Anything Rudd or Labor have done in that area was accidental - Tnoys actions to deliberatly ensure that it has continued indefinatly is very different - He made sure it kept happening for his political gain.

You keep telling yourself that because no one else is going to. Everyone else is seeing it as a big victory for common sense and the Coalition and a massive blow to the credibility of Gillard who has fought these same policies for years.

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Reply #21 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:06pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:47pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:37pm:

My bet is that Tony will try and get TPVs into the legislation to keep the issue alive. I can't see him voting down the legislation, but he'll have coverage if the boats keep on coming and he gets blamed for stalling on Malaysia.

Abbott had a pretty big win today. He got most of HIS policy in place. That always looks good to voters because here is Abbott getting the only sensible policy into place FROM OPPOSITION. So imagine what he will acheive as PM? thats the perception that labor faces - that Gillard is a stubborn policy dunce while even the govts own advisors want Abbotts policy. Thats electoral gold!

he got exactly what he said no to 6 weeks ago .... in my books it makes him look like the looser

the devil is in the details. this policy has NO Malaysia and DOES have nauru - immediately. it is NOTHING like the old policy.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Labor to act quickly to reopen Nauru. Reply #22 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:06pm Any news from the Libs? They'll be burning candles tonight working out how they should play this one. I'll bet you they'll pull out the TPV card.
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Reply #23 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:06pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out.

it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived.

Big win for Abbott today.

where do you people come up with this crap ... the committee proposed exactly what Gillard offered 6 weeks ago ... she only put the comittee in play after Abbott rejected it then ..... you sure do have a strange way of seeing things ... must be nice wearing rose tinted glasses all the time...

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Reply #24 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:07pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again?

because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology.

Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia.

And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia.

when did labor admit that? are you hearing voices again?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

So how will Labor impose refugee terrorism on these people?

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Labor to act quickly to reopen Nauru. Reply #25 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:07pm Julia Gillard 2003: Labor will end the Pacific solution, the so-called Pacific Solution, the processing and detaining of asylum seekers on Pacific islands because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle.
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Re: Labor to act quickly to reopen Nauru.
Reply #26 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:08pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:47pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:37pm:

My bet is that Tony will try and get TPVs into the legislation to keep the issue alive. I can't see him voting down the legislation, but he'll have coverage if the boats keep on coming and he gets blamed for stalling on Malaysia.

Abbott had a pretty big win today. He got most of HIS policy in place. That always looks good to voters because here is Abbott getting the only sensible policy into place FROM OPPOSITION. So imagine what he will acheive as PM? thats the perception that labor faces - that Gillard is a stubborn policy dunce while even the govts own advisors want Abbotts policy. Thats electoral gold!

he got exactly what he said no to 6 weeks ago .... in my books it makes him look like the looser

the devil is in the details. this policy has NO Malaysia and DOES have nauru - immediately. it is NOTHING like the old policy.

rubbish .. if anything the committee found that the malaysia solution was a good one

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Re: Labor to act quickly to reopen Nauru.
Reply #27 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:10pm

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again?

because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology.

Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia.

And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia.

when did labor admit that? are you hearing voices again?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

So how will Labor impose refugee terrorism on these people?

you didn't answer the question, when did labor admit that Howards policy was right

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Reply #28 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:11pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out.

it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived.

Big win for Abbott today.

where do you people come up with this crap ... the committee proposed exactly what Gillard offered 6 weeks ago ... she only put the comittee in play after Abbott rejected it then ..... you sure do have a strange way of seeing things ... must be nice wearing rose tinted glasses all the time...

The difference being that each country will be approved individually, rather than together. Have I got that right, or was that part of Gillard's original compromise.

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Reply #29 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:17pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out.

it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived.

Big win for Abbott today.

where do you people come up with this crap ... the committee proposed exactly what Gillard offered 6 weeks ago ... she only put the comittee in play after Abbott rejected it then ..... you sure do have a strange way of seeing things ... must be nice wearing rose tinted glasses all the time...

The difference being that each country will be approved individually, rather than together. Have I got that right, or was that part of Gillard's original compromise.

the main difference as far as I can tell is that they suggested she go with nauru and Manus island immediately because she can do so, and proceed with malaysia if Nauru and manus island don't stop the boats, mainly because malaysia will take time anyway considering the negotiations and the legislative changes that need to take place first ....

the other different suggestion which, as far as I know, neither party had propsed previously was that Ayslum seekers that are granted asylum are NOT allowed to apply for their families to join them at any stage in the future .... thats was a bit of a curve ball and I'll sit on it a little before i decide if i like it or not ....

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