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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #15 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:41am

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

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Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!!

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Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats

We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water.

we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest

maybe we will have an armada instead of one ship out there john..who knows..it will come at a price thanks to this govt dismantling it in the first place..

but that something you lefties will have to deal with...

Australia has rights.. yes we do.. we have a right to protect our border and pick and choose who we allow to come here.

you might not mind a bunch of criminals in a foreign country making a fortune out of telling us who we will take in and who we wont..

but I do.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #16 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:42am

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

That's why the Malaysian Solution didn't pass the High Court - the same policy leftards supports

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #17 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:43am

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

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Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!!

Angry

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Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats

We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water.

we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest

maybe we will have an armada instead of one ship out there john..who knows..it will come at a price thanks to this govt dismantling it in the first place..

but that something you lefties will have to deal with...

Australia has rights.. yes we do.. we have a right to protect our border and pick and choose who we allow to come here.

you might not mind a bunch of criminals in a foreign country making a fortune out of telling us who we will take in and who we wont..

but I do.

why bring Murdoch into this?

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #18 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:45am

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Quote:

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!!

Angry

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Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats

We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water.

we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest

maybe we will have an armada instead of one ship out there john..who knows..it will come at a price thanks to this govt dismantling it in the first place..

but that something you lefties will have to deal with...

Australia has rights.. yes we do.. we have a right to protect our border and pick and choose who we allow to come here.

you might not mind a bunch of criminals in a foreign country making a fortune out of telling us who we will take in and who we wont..

but I do.

be it one boat or an armada it makes no difference ... try to turn back an Indonesian boat in Indonesian waters and it can be considered an act of war ... we cannot do it .. either legally or morally ....

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #19 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:45am

At the end of the day, I would like to think we all care about what is best for these poor people who risk their lives.

Hence why a policy deterring them from getting into these boats is to be welcomed.

Removing Nauru and bringing Christmas Island back into the immigration zone was two of the worst mistakes the Government made on asylum policy.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #22 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #23 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:10pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #24 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:35pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin.

I knew he would try to find an excuse to not sign up ... he just cannot accept any solution to the asylum seeker issue ... it's just not in him to say YES. If he doesn't sign up to the recommendations it will be the end of Abbott

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #25 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #26 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:08pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Then maybe it is time to end the billions of dollars we give them in aid each year until they are willing to accept the basic notion of accepting responsibility for these boats. After all, we wil only have to do this a few times and the boats wont even try it.

Get tough with Indonesia. They only respond to force and pressure. 30 years of dithering on East Timor acheived nothing until Howard was willing to set up a multi-national force that would do something regardless.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #27 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:11pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin.

I knew he would try to find an excuse to not sign up ... he just cannot accept any solution to the asylum seeker issue ... it's just not in him to say YES. If he doesn't sign up to the recommendations it will be the end of Abbott

Abbott has agreed to all 22 recommendations. and why not? most of them are HIS policy!

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Reply #28 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin.

I knew he would try to find an excuse to not sign up ... he just cannot accept any solution to the asylum seeker issue ... it's just not in him to say YES. If he doesn't sign up to the recommendations it will be the end of Abbott

Abbott has agreed to all 22 recommendations. and why not? most of them are HIS policy!

good to see him finally say yes to this ....

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #29 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:18pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin.

I knew he would try to find an excuse to not sign up ... he just cannot accept any solution to the asylum seeker issue ... it's just not in him to say YES. If he doesn't sign up to the recommendations it will be the end of Abbott

Abbott has agreed to all 22 recommendations. and why not? most of them are HIS policy!

good to see him finally say yes to this ....

Good to see hey. Indefinate detention on Nauru. noice.

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