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Reply #30 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:19pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Australia can turn boats away we are under lawful obligation to citizens as defined under the constitution...

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #31 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:22pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

Why doesn't our navy use the refugee boats for target practice?

The Collins subs could do with a bit more practice.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #32 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS

The situation is NOW

Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL

It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters

Abbott is either ...

1/ a LIAR

2/ a clever CON ARTIST

3/ in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #34 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:30pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS

The situation is NOW

Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL

It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters

Abbott is either ...

1/ a LIAR

2/ a clever CON ARTIST

3/ in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

as stated before. take away their aid money (billions) until they agree to actually act according to their obligations. Indonesians dont do anything for anyone unless threatened or paid off. We can do both.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #35 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

how can a country refuse to accept people it has allowed into their country in the first place then allowed them to leave the country on very sinkable boats???

what would their excuse be not to take them back I wonder?????????????????

as a country whos defence forces far outweigh what Australian has...its ridiculous to even talk about them not being able to stop this..

the facts are they dont want too...

why should we accept the burden???

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #36 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:38pm

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

how can a country refuse to accept people it has allowed into their country in the first place then allowed them to leave the country on very sinkable boats???

what would their excuse be not to take them back I wonder?????????????????

as a country whos defence forces far outweigh what Australian has...its ridiculous to even talk about them not being able to stop this..

the facts are they dont want too...

why should we accept the burden???

That's my point. they have a moral obligation to accept the back. But morality is not something that enters their political decision making. But bribery and corruption does. So take away our aid money until they finally occasinoally actually do something for us in return.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #37 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:42pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS

The situation is NOW

Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL

It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters

Abbott is either ...

1/ a LIAR

2/ a clever CON ARTIST

3/ in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

take away their aid money (billions) until they agree to actually act

DREAM ON

You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid

And nor SHOULD they

The notion is built on IMMORALITY

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #38 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:45pm

DREAM ON

You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid

And nor SHOULD they

The notion is built on IMMORALITY

so if we find out the money is going on arms and land mines.. thats alright then as it would be immoral to stop the money!!!!..

when we see starving children and very very fat despots.....there is nothing immoral about that I guess.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #39 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:30pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS

The situation is NOW

Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL

It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters

Abbott is either ...

1/ a LIAR

2/ a clever CON ARTIST

3/ in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

as stated before. take away their aid money (billions) until they agree to actually act according to their obligations. Indonesians dont do anything for anyone unless threatened or paid off. We can do both.

Absolutely, I agree completely.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #40 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:30pm

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

DREAM ON

You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid

And nor SHOULD they

The notion is built on IMMORALITY

so if we find out the money is going on arms and land mines.. thats alright then as it would be immoral to stop the money!!!!..

when we see starving children and very very fat despots.....there is nothing immoral about that I guess.

The aid to Indonesian schools was started by the Howard government and relaunced by Labor. It builds and expands schools, trains teachers and accredits Islamic schools.

Former foreign minister Alexander Downer told The Age he had established the program to fund schools in Indonesia, to help the Indonesian government run a moderate national curriculum. He was unaware of what changes Labor might have made, but said: ''I wouldn't like to see the program I established cut.''

The program has long been touted as a way of fighting terrorism, by displacing schools that spread anti-West hatred.

Mr Abbott reaffirmed his commitment to a Coalition government bringing aid to 0.5 per cent of gross national income by 2015.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/libs-would-make-indonesian-schools-pay-for-flo...

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #41 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:45pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS

The situation is NOW

Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL

It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters

Abbott is either ...

1/ a LIAR

2/ a clever CON ARTIST

3/ in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

take away their aid money (billions) until they agree to actually act

DREAM ON

You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid

And nor SHOULD they

The notion is built on IMMORALITY

it immoral to use foreign aid as a bribe but not to refuse to accept the obligation to look after the refugeesin their own country? Morality isnt just use white fellas doing the right thing. it involves them as well. And if it requires a bit of encouragement and bribery to act morally then so be it.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #42 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:47pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

DREAM ON

You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid

And nor SHOULD they

The notion is built on IMMORALITY

so if we find out the money is going on arms and land mines.. thats alright then as it would be immoral to stop the money!!!!..

when we see starving children and very very fat despots.....there is nothing immoral about that I guess.

The aid to Indonesian schools was started by the Howard government and relaunced by Labor. It builds and expands schools, trains teachers and accredits Islamic schools.

Former foreign minister Alexander Downer told The Age he had established the program to fund schools in Indonesia, to help the Indonesian government run a moderate national curriculum. He was unaware of what changes Labor might have made, but said: ''I wouldn't like to see the program I established cut.''

The program has long been touted as a way of fighting terrorism, by displacing schools that spread anti-West hatred.

Mr Abbott reaffirmed his commitment to a Coalition government bringing aid to 0.5 per cent of gross national income by 2015.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/libs-would-make-indonesian-schools-pay-for-flo...

i DIDNT say he was GOING to cut the aid. making up that kind of stuffl is the place of labor supporters as we often see on here.

He should cut it though.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #43 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:02pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS

The situation is NOW

Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL

It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters

Abbott is either ...

1/ a LIAR

2/ a clever CON ARTIST

3/ in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #44 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:09pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT

Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS

The situation is NOW

Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL

It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters

Abbott is either ...

1/ a LIAR

2/ a clever CON ARTIST

3/ in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

and what if they aren't so obliging?

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