Australian Politics Forum - Houston: turning back boats CAN work

Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work Reply #45 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:17pm
Back to top	I condemn Male Violence Against Women The Government Supports Gynocide There Is Something Dreadfully Wrong With Men IP Logged

John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work Reply #46 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:21pm do you plan on bombing them while they are in Indonesian waters or international waters? I'm pretty sure they aren't going to sit on the border for your convenience ....
Back to top	Our esteemed leader: I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus. IP Logged

Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work Reply #47 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:23pm Any Australian citizen has the constitutional right to defend their borders with force from unobliging invaders...
Back to top	I condemn Male Violence Against Women The Government Supports Gynocide There Is Something Dreadfully Wrong With Men IP Logged

chicken_lipsforme

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 7090
Townsville NQ
Gender: male

Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #48 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip?
Call ghostbusters?
The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more.
It worked before, it will work again.
The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way.
And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'.
These boats are leaving from their ports.
Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

Back to top

"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

Julia Gillard
Shadow Health Minister
2003.

IP Logged

gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work Reply #49 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:49pm take away all indonesian foreign aid until they get with the concept of the mutual obligation. they take our money all the time but when asked to do ANYTHING, they decline.
Back to top	IP Logged

sexy_beast

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 575
Gender: male

Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #50 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:53pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:49pm:

take away all indonesian foreign aid until they get with the concept of the mutual obligation. they take our money all the time but when asked to do ANYTHING, they decline.

Yes, this is so true. I've been saying this for years now. We give Indonesia so much but what do they ever do for us? If they can't even do this then give them nothing. I wonder how they'd be without all of the money and resources we give them? And they're not even grateful.

Back to top

IP Logged

MOTR

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6646

Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #51 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 2:19am

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:23am:

If people come here illegally, are not seeking genuine refuge and only coming here with the intention of living off the taxpayer, effectively stopping the immigration of people who are actually seeking genuine refuge, then their dying means nothing to me. I couldn't care less.

Shame.

Back to top

Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

IP Logged

MOTR

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6646

Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #52 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 2:26am

Quote:

He says turning back boats heading towards Australia "can be operationally achieved" - but only with certain conditions attached around who processes the people on board. The conditions are not met at the moment - but could be in the future, he says.

What does this mean?

Is the focus here just on our end. Did the panel explore how Indonesia might respond?

Back to top

« Last Edit: Aug 15^th, 2012 at 2:46am by MOTR »

Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

IP Logged

MOTR

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6646

Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #53 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 2:44am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

At the end of the day, I would like to think we all care about what is best for these poor people who risk their lives.

Hence why a policy deterring them from getting into these boats is to be welcomed.

Removing Nauru and bringing Christmas Island back into the immigration zone was two of the worst mistakes the Government made on asylum policy.

Those who care are happy to lift the refugee humanitarian intake to 20,000 people a year as recommended by the Houston panel.

That would exclude you and Tony.

And you too prevailing. Sorry about that, mate.

Back to top

Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

IP Logged

Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work Reply #54 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 2:45am There is plenty of tax payers money in the Refugee industry and the UNHCR and international aid agencies trade in human flesh...
Back to top	I condemn Male Violence Against Women The Government Supports Gynocide There Is Something Dreadfully Wrong With Men IP Logged

gold_medal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3897
Gender: male

Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #55 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:05pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 2:26am:

Quote:

He says turning back boats heading towards Australia "can be operationally achieved" - but only with certain conditions attached around who processes the people on board. The conditions are not met at the moment - but could be in the future, he says.

What does this mean?

Is the focus here just on our end. Did the panel explore how Indonesia might respond?

They noted that Indonesia would not agree to take them back which is why they said the policy was practical and gooo but cannot be used. And after all, you just assume Indonesia wont do-operate with anything you ask, It just saves time.

Back to top

IP Logged

buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work Reply #56 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:48pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:02pm: Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple. *If a boat is OUTSIDE Indonesian waters - it's ALREADY in international waters, you NONG !*
Back to top	'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.' - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi IP Logged

rabbitoh07

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2783
Gender: male

Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #57 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:05pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

Wow! You must be an Olympic archer being able to draw a long bow like that!

Back to top

IP Logged

Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work Reply #58 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:05pm Aussies unite against the foreign plot to strip our sovereignty and constitutional rights!!! Keep the Australian Covenant...
Back to top	I condemn Male Violence Against Women The Government Supports Gynocide There Is Something Dreadfully Wrong With Men IP Logged

Gist

Gold Member

Offline

I am not a sock, I am
a human being!

Posts: 5476

Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #59 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip?
Call ghostbusters?
The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more.
It worked before, it will work again.
The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way.
And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'.
These boats are leaving from their ports.
Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

eerrmmmmm... that's known as piracy isn't it? Boarding vessels in international waters without cause and stealing their goods, forcing them at gunpoint. Pretty dodgy thing to do don't you think? Do you think Australia officially undertaking piracy against foreign boats could cause grief for Australian nationals in foreign ports?

I'd have thought you would know better than that chook.

Back to top

"When our military goes to war it should be for purposes and objectives clearly in Australia’s interests, not merely because the Americans want some company" - Malcolm Fraser (2012 Whitlam Oration)

IP Logged