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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #60 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:10pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip?
Call ghostbusters?
The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more.
It worked before, it will work again.
The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way.
And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'.
These boats are leaving from their ports.
Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

Howard stopped doing this when boats sunk and people died.

It was John Howard who stopped turning boats around and this decision was forced on him after he had been responsible for people drowning.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #61 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:15pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

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Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/st...

As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!!

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Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats

We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water.

we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest

Using force on boats in international waters is called piracy, were not allowed to do that either.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #62 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:40pm

Gist wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip?
Call ghostbusters?
The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more.
It worked before, it will work again.
The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way.
And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'.
These boats are leaving from their ports.
Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

eerrmmmmm... that's known as piracy isn't it? Boarding vessels in international waters without cause and stealing their goods, forcing them at gunpoint. Pretty dodgy thing to do don't you think? Do you think Australia officially undertaking piracy against foreign boats could cause grief for Australian nationals in foreign ports?

I'd have thought you would know better than that chook.

This has nothing to do with me.
And who really cares about smugglers rights?
They are criminals and nothing more.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #63 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:55pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip?
Call ghostbusters?
The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more.
It worked before, it will work again.
The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way.
And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'.
These boats are leaving from their ports.
Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

eerrmmmmm... that's known as piracy isn't it? Boarding vessels in international waters without cause and stealing their goods, forcing them at gunpoint. Pretty dodgy thing to do don't you think? Do you think Australia officially undertaking piracy against foreign boats could cause grief for Australian nationals in foreign ports?

I'd have thought you would know better than that chook.

This has nothing to do with me.
And who really cares about smugglers rights?
They are criminals and nothing more.

Hey, you suggested it. Roll Eyes

And they're only smugglers if they try to smuggle something/one into our waters. Otherwise they're just a boatload of sightseers and can do pretty much what they like in international waters.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #64 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 9:53pm

Gist wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:55pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip?
Call ghostbusters?
The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more.
It worked before, it will work again.
The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way.
And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'.
These boats are leaving from their ports.
Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

eerrmmmmm... that's known as piracy isn't it? Boarding vessels in international waters without cause and stealing their goods, forcing them at gunpoint. Pretty dodgy thing to do don't you think? Do you think Australia officially undertaking piracy against foreign boats could cause grief for Australian nationals in foreign ports?

I'd have thought you would know better than that chook.

This has nothing to do with me.
And who really cares about smugglers rights?
They are criminals and nothing more.

Hey, you suggested it. Roll Eyes

And they're only smugglers if they try to smuggle something/one into our waters. Otherwise they're just a boatload of sightseers and can do pretty much what they like in international waters.

Including country shop somewhere else.
Refugees my arse.
Like all criminals who smuggle contraband, they are subject to being searched on the high seas.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #65 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:22am

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

If a boat is OUTSIDE Indonesian waters - it's ALREADY in international waters, you NONG !

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Re-read what I said, you dunce!

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

I said the Navy turns around boats BEFORE they enter international waters, i.e. before they leave Indonesian waters.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #66 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 8:59am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:22am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

If a boat is OUTSIDE Indonesian waters - it's ALREADY in international waters, you NONG !

http://juanitajean.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dunce-cap-1.gif

Re-read what I said, you dunce!

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

I said the Navy turns around boats BEFORE they enter international waters, i.e. before they leave Indonesian waters.

Then you are either stupid or ignorant or both. Which is it? I'm inclined to believe it's both. Try reading some of the previous posts and see if you can work out why.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #67 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 9:17am

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 8:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:22am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

If a boat is OUTSIDE Indonesian waters - it's ALREADY in international waters, you NONG !

http://juanitajean.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dunce-cap-1.gif

Re-read what I said, you dunce!

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

I said the Navy turns around boats BEFORE they enter international waters, i.e. before they leave Indonesian waters.

Then you are either stupid or ignorant or both. Which is it? I'm inclined to believe it's both. Try reading some of the previous posts and see if you can work out why.

She is definitely BOTH.

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Re: Houston: turning back boats CAN work
Reply #68 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:50pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:10pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip?
Call ghostbusters?
The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more.
It worked before, it will work again.
The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way.
And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'.
These boats are leaving from their ports.
Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

Howard stopped doing this when boats sunk and people died.

It was John Howard who stopped turning boats around and this decision was forced on him after he had been responsible for people drowning.

Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation. Sound like anyone we know? No, it doesnt. Rudd and Gillard always pushed through with any and all policies regardless of the catastrophe they caused.

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Reply #70 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:44pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:38pm:

The dunce cap is hereby awarded to sh!t-for-brains and gist for possession of a minus IQ and an inability/unwillingness to comprehend simple facts.

Try reading and comprehension rather than just shooting your fat mouth off about stuff you know nothing about and you won't be so embarrassed in future.

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Reply #71 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:47pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:50pm:

Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation.

And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder.

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Reply #72 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:50pm

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:38pm:

The dunce cap is hereby awarded to sh!t-for-brains and gist for possession of a minus IQ and an inability/unwillingness to comprehend simple facts.

Try reading and comprehension rather than just shooting your fat mouth off about stuff you know nothing about and you won't be so embarrassed in future.

I said boats should be turned around before they reach International waters. What is so hard to understand about that? You seem to suffer from a severe case of Leftardism!

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Reply #73 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:51pm

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:50pm:

Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation.

And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder.

Against all advice? Did Angus Houston not recently advise the government to do what Abbott has been saying for years? As for murder, more people have died under Labor's watch than under the Pacific Solution. Now go sit in the corner with your dunce cap on your head and think about what a dumb sock you are!

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Reply #74 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:14pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:51pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:50pm:

Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation.

And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder.

Against all advice? Did Angus Houston not recently advise the government to do what Abbott has been saying for years?

No he didn't. If you had actually bothered to read the recommendations of the panel then you would know that. But feel free to continue wallowing in your ignorance.

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