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Reply #210 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:12pm

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

er sorry smiddy, but I don't think Assange IS a journalist. Apples and Oranges.

I once watched him being interviewed and he referred to himself as a journalist ... I've no idea what he is as I can see no real job description that would cover him, but if he says he's a journalist than who am I to argue with him .... it doesn't change the argument either way

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Reply #211 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:14pm

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

'he released private and confidential information that spies work years to try and get ...'

So? what? you're pissed that all those spies are done out of a job??
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no , but i think we travel down a dangerous road if we take the expression freedom of information to literally .... everyone has secrets and they keep them secret for a reason ...governments are no exception ....

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum Reply #212 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:20pm I don't think governments should have secrets from the people who voted them in. Obviously this doesn't apply in authoritarian, totalitarian states.....according to you. Don't agree...Govt's that keep secrets,?? .............have only NASTY secrets to hide. That should be obvious, surely....
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Reply #213 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 9:07pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:44am:

Emma wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

What planet do you reside on smithy? Tongue

A rabid pit-bull only has one solution... SEVERAL bullets to the brain and heart.

So, perhaps??? the analogy is not so sound after all?
No-one wants to see global conflict,.... and if we're lucky the war will be fought on the economic front , principally, so maybe formally wealthy comfy people might go hungry, but what price world peace???
Isn't that an eternal question.? Huh

Wrong, I've seen many pit bulls that are great companions when treated with the respect they deserve ... you follow the rules that apply to him, he won't bite.

And what war? I didn't realise we were at war with anyone. Assange didn't do anything for the good of mankind, I don't believe any of that rubbish for a minute. He did it to build his little empire .. the problem with empire building is that it's never guaranteed and failure comes at a price.

Governments good or bad are voted in by the people to represent them and ultimately they must answer the people they serve, Assange nominated himself as overlord and overseer of everything ...who the hell is he? I certainly don't trust him anymore than I do any politician. .....

I WAS talking about RABID pit-bulls, not well-socialised well trained and well owned pit-bulls.
The problem??

those pit-bulls who recognise NO master. Seems you'd be a BAD MASTER .... seeing as you 'd let him set the rules. Not good Schmiddy. Sad

If you had a hip replacement, your two bull-mastiffs could turn on you and savage you, just like happened here in QLD recently.
A man had had two B/M dogs since pups. Loved them ...but a week after he got home from surgery, they took him down, and deadly.
If two blokes hadn't shown up by prior arrangement, to look at a sale item, and heard the sounds of the dogs going for him, inside the house, he'd be dead meat now. They couldn't do anything...
They called police, who had to use several shots to disable and destroy the dogs, while the owner pleaded with them not to kill them. He was taken to hospital with grievous wounds to his face, neck, torso, legs and arms. I haven't heard anything further.!!
Seems an appropriate analogy!!!

...any dog... with no or poor leadership is potentially dangerous.
Like life yeah?

I had a dog with Pitty in 'm... and until he died of cancer at age 10 yrs he was the best dog I had owned.
Like guns, it depends on who is handling them.

Like Governments, it depends who is the power.
And we'all folks, are about to be savaged.!!!

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #214 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 9:31pm

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:44am:

Emma wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

What planet do you reside on smithy? Tongue

A rabid pit-bull only has one solution... SEVERAL bullets to the brain and heart.

So, perhaps??? the analogy is not so sound after all?
No-one wants to see global conflict,.... and if we're lucky the war will be fought on the economic front , principally, so maybe formally wealthy comfy people might go hungry, but what price world peace???
Isn't that an eternal question.? Huh

Wrong, I've seen many pit bulls that are great companions when treated with the respect they deserve ... you follow the rules that apply to him, he won't bite.

And what war? I didn't realise we were at war with anyone. Assange didn't do anything for the good of mankind, I don't believe any of that rubbish for a minute. He did it to build his little empire .. the problem with empire building is that it's never guaranteed and failure comes at a price.

Governments good or bad are voted in by the people to represent them and ultimately they must answer the people they serve, Assange nominated himself as overlord and overseer of everything ...who the hell is he? I certainly don't trust him anymore than I do any politician. .....

I WAS talking about RABID pit-bulls, not well-socialised well trained and well owned pit-bulls.

I don't think Assange is rabid, just foolish

The problem??

those pit-bulls who recognise NO master. Seems you'd be a BAD MASTER .... seeing as you 'd let him set the rules. Not good Schmiddy. Sad

THE RULES WERE THERE LONG BEFORE ASSANGE COME INTO THE PICTURE

If you had a hip replacement, your two bull-mastiffs could turn on you and savage you, just like happened here in QLD recently.
A man had had two B/M dogs since pups. Loved them ...but a week after he got home from surgery, they took him down, and deadly.
If two blokes hadn't shown up by prior arrangement, to look at a sale item, and heard the sounds of the dogs going for him, inside the house, he'd be dead meat now. They couldn't do anything...
They called police, who had to use several shots to disable and destroy the dogs, while the owner pleaded with them not to kill them. He was taken to hospital with grievous wounds to his face, neck, torso, legs and arms. I haven't heard anything further.!!
Seems an appropriate analogy!!!

I'd hardly say the US is turning on it's own populace ... it's actually a terrible analogy ...

...any dog... with no or poor leadership is potentially dangerous.
Like life yeah?

I had a dog with Pitty in 'm... and until he died of cancer at age 10 yrs he was the best dog I had owned.
Like guns, it depends on who is handling them.

Like Governments, it depends who is the power.
And we'all folks, are about to be savaged.!!!

you have every right to be pissed with the government of the day if you think they are doing you wrong ... but that does not give ANYONE the right to break the laws of the country in retaliation

Governments are there to do a job, and sometimes we don't even have to like what they do, but they do it ... who is Assange to say they are wrong? what makes him any different from the nutcase from Norway? he too had a problem with his government ... the only difference is what side of the fence you sit on ... me I think they both are criminals ...we don't get to choose what laws we obey and what laws we break ... no matter how justified you think you are ... otherwise where does it end ... what makes his right to break laws any different from anyone else's?

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #215 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 9:33pm

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

I don't think governments should have secrets from the people who voted them in.

Obviously this doesn't apply in authoritarian, totalitarian states.....according to you.

Don't agree...Govt's that keep secrets,?? .............have only NASTY secrets to hide.

That should be obvious, surely.... Shocked

well its a bit hard for any government to release all it's secrets to its voting public while keeping them secret from other foreign states ... it doesn't work that way . a secret can only remain a secret if the minimal number of people know about it ...

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Reply #216 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 4:55am

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:21pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did

Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination.

So you dont think we should know about war crimes?

SOB

What war crime do you know about now, mother, that you didn't know about before wikileaks?

The yanks in the helicopter shooting the civilians . . . . .

SOB

Is that one of your 'i dunno where I read it but i read it somewhere' faint recollections, mother?

HAHAHAHAHA! You posting from a nursing home grandma? Senility doesnt go well with posting on a forum.

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #217 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 4:58am

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:21pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did

Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination.

So you dont think we should know about war crimes?

SOB

What war crime do you know about now, mother, that you didn't know about before wikileaks?

The yanks in the helicopter shooting the civilians . . . .
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SOB

Is that one of your 'i dunno where I read it but i read it somewhere' faint recollections, mother?

A very good example there SOB. That was truly disturbing footage, ...so much more added to by the audio feed. Criminal indeed.!!!!!!
And Soren basically 'yawns'.!!!?

And

That vid from RT ?? of Assanges mother??

Never to be seen in our 'information' media I'd presume.
Roll Eyes

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Australian media is so tightly controlled, thank goodness for the net,...and outfits like WikiLeaks....

I mean really!! to be fair...if we are only fed propaganda, let it be all
propaganda. Otherwise we live in a fascist country - with fascist ideals and intent.!!! Angry

if that was the case, then Assange should have been a little more selective about what he released ... the fact that he released thousands of files without even knowing what was in them, and that happened to be one of his files was just luck more than anything else ...

what about all the documents that were not about war crimes? every journalist has a duty and a right to report on any breach of law that they may discover, Assange is no different, but he didn't just release information that reported crimes, he released thousand of private and confidential memos that served no purpose other than to make life difficult for the governments he had an issue with .... that is criminal

He knew the stuff from bradley manning was war crimes exposure. He did the deal to get the information. Bradley manning is prolly a hero too because he followed his conscience.

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #218 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 4:59am

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that?

quote soren..

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apples and oranges

a bit different than government crimes and collusion.

a typical response from a mind controlled dupe

ie :freemason

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but Assange didn't just release documents of government crimes and collusion ... he released thousands of documents such as private memo's from Ambassadors to their respective govt.s , he released private and confidential information that spies work years to try and get ... and for what purpose, because of the extra media attention it bought his little empire building exercise .....

So what? The stuff he exposed is why hes in trouble not the lil unimportant boring stuff.

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Reply #219 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 5:00am

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

I don't think governments should have secrets from the people who voted them in.

Obviously this doesn't apply in authoritarian, totalitarian states.....according to you.

Don't agree...Govt's that keep secrets,?? .............have only NASTY secrets to hide.

That should be obvious, surely.... Shocked

Yeah i agree with this. Especially after that ACTA crap.

How the heck DARE they? Sign these life changing agreements internationally and not even tell us the ppl about them?

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum Reply #221 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 10:29am Thanks greens, I just got to see Julian's speech to the world.....brilliant, and oh so true The world is watching and Assange is looking more like the hero as time goes by. I don't want to be in a world where citizen's must whisper in the night. Do you?
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Reply #223 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 10:37am

what a surprise.

A Government who pansi supports is a human rights violator when you scratch the surface.

So it's the same story concerning Pansi's support of China.

Turn a blind eye and ignore the corruption and violations if the policy is different to the USA?

"Left wingers will usually ride rough-shod over human rights if it means they will get their way. To them the ends justify the means. That's how their predecessors came to set up the gulags"
Margaret Thatcher.

Pansi - you are a walking example of hypocrisy.

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Reply #224 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 10:43am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Woody - do you support the Ecuadorian Governments policy that homosexuals should be "cured" by way of imprisoning them and beating them with batons?

(Amnesty International).

No connection to the Assange thread.
After this post, try and stay on topic.

Recognition of same-sex unions in Ecuador

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Ecuador

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