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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #375 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:00am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

An idiotic statement yet again.

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #376 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:05am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

An idiotic statement yet again.

Ahhh you have no argument then? Lashing out? Nice on-topic response there andrei. And you complain about ppl not staying on topic and offering up abuse. Pot AND kettle are you.

Meanwhile pansi is right - someone had to do it.

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #377 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:07am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

An idiotic statement yet again.

I thought the rules say that you're not allowed to use the 'i' word.
*glares*

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #378 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:31am

andrei, i look at it from a slightly different perspective (though i do agree the stuff should be rendered so that no names are on the "leaks". especially names of people in countries who have risked something to expose crooks.

but really, the government expect transparency from its citizens, they expect transparency from the media. look at the murdoch press in england.

now they must also expect that they provide us with transparency.

you cant maintain the moral high ground by also thinking its ok to do what you like with your intelligence agencies.
again , if you want to have intelligence forces operating at the governments behest, you need to explain to the citizens why it is a good idea.

as a general principle though, the truth is always better than lies.
if nothing else it stops crazy conspiracy theorists banging on about freemasons Wink

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #379 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:56pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

Assmange has caused the deaths of innocent people by releasing confidential documents.

I am sure the families of those killed think it was worth it according to Pansi.

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #380 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

Assmange has caused the deaths of innocent people by releasing confidential documents.

I am sure the families of those killed think it was worth it according to Pansi.

Pansi is not one to care about lives being lost if they are American or Western,.

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #381 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

Assmange has caused the deaths of innocent people by releasing confidential documents.

I am sure the families of those killed think it was worth it according to Pansi.

Pansi is not one to care about lives being lost if they are American or Western,.

There were elderly Afghans killed by the wikileaks, The Taliban thanked wikileaks for giving them a hit list of names.

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #382 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:27pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

Assmange has caused the deaths of innocent people by releasing confidential documents.

I am sure the families of those killed think it was worth it according to Pansi.

Pansi is not one to care about lives being lost if they are American or Western,.

There were elderly Afghans killed by the wikileaks, The Taliban thanked wikileaks for giving them a hit list of names.

you got a link to that, i thought an official report said they could not link any deaths to wikileaks.
i'm interested if you do have a link as that might change my opinion on the bloke

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #383 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:30pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:04am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:39am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

This guy spent his youth as a hacker to then find a way to make money out of it while discrediting the very authorities that wish to prosecute him for it, and now cretins hail him as their hero? he's no hero ... if he had any integrity or backbone he would face his charges and stand up for himself rather than hide behind some embassy doors .....

Can you prove that? Not even the media is pushing that theory . . . .

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can I prove what? that he was a hacker .. i thought it was common knowledge ... but thats not really the point now is it ... if he was all he pretends to be then he would stand up for himself and face his accussers and not run and hide.....

Mandela was a man I admire ... stood by is convictions no matter what .. he could have run and hidden when he was younger .. but nope, he stood up for what he believed ..

Can you prove that he was trying to make money out of it. He (and everyone else) seem to be saying he was doing it to get information he believed should be public. He didnt steal anything and wasnt trying to make any money from it. Since your story is different i am wondering where you got the idea.

SOB

easy .. go to his website (if its still up and running, don't know and don't really care) and you'll find a section that asks for donations and for credit card details .. that makes it about money ...

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #384 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:38pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

Assmange has caused the deaths of innocent people by releasing confidential documents.

I am sure the families of those killed think it was worth it according to Pansi.

Pansi is not one to care about lives being lost if they are American or Western,.

There were elderly Afghans killed by the wikileaks, The Taliban thanked wikileaks for giving them a hit list of names.

you got a link to that, i thought an official report said they could not link any deaths to wikileaks.
i'm interested if you do have a link as that might change my opinion on the bloke

Here is one

http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revea...

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #385 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:46pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:04am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:39am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

This guy spent his youth as a hacker to then find a way to make money out of it while discrediting the very authorities that wish to prosecute him for it, and now cretins hail him as their hero? he's no hero ... if he had any integrity or backbone he would face his charges and stand up for himself rather than hide behind some embassy doors .....

Can you prove that? Not even the media is pushing that theory . . . .

SOB

can I prove what? that he was a hacker .. i thought it was common knowledge ... but thats not really the point now is it ... if he was all he pretends to be then he would stand up for himself and face his accussers and not run and hide.....

Mandela was a man I admire ... stood by is convictions no matter what .. he could have run and hidden when he was younger .. but nope, he stood up for what he believed ..

Can you prove that he was trying to make money out of it. He (and everyone else) seem to be saying he was doing it to get information he believed should be public. He didnt steal anything and wasnt trying to make any money from it. Since your story is different i am wondering where you got the idea.

SOB

easy .. go to his website (if its still up and running, don't know and don't really care) and you'll find a section that asks for donations and for credit card details .. that makes it about money ...

Donations. To keep the site up and running. Yeah so?

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #386 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:48pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:04am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:39am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

This guy spent his youth as a hacker to then find a way to make money out of it while discrediting the very authorities that wish to prosecute him for it, and now cretins hail him as their hero? he's no hero ... if he had any integrity or backbone he would face his charges and stand up for himself rather than hide behind some embassy doors .....

Can you prove that? Not even the media is pushing that theory . . . .

SOB

can I prove what? that he was a hacker .. i thought it was common knowledge ... but thats not really the point now is it ... if he was all he pretends to be then he would stand up for himself and face his accussers and not run and hide.....

Mandela was a man I admire ... stood by is convictions no matter what .. he could have run and hidden when he was younger .. but nope, he stood up for what he believed ..

Can you prove that he was trying to make money out of it. He (and everyone else) seem to be saying he was doing it to get information he believed should be public. He didnt steal anything and wasnt trying to make any money from it. Since your story is different i am wondering where you got the idea.

SOB

easy .. go to his website (if its still up and running, don't know and don't really care) and you'll find a section that asks for donations and for credit card details .. that makes it about money ...

Donations. To keep the site up and running. Yeah so?

SOB

yeahhh sure .. and the catholic church ask for donations to help the poor ... been to Rome lately?

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #387 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 3:05pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:04am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:39am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

This guy spent his youth as a hacker to then find a way to make money out of it while discrediting the very authorities that wish to prosecute him for it, and now cretins hail him as their hero? he's no hero ... if he had any integrity or backbone he would face his charges and stand up for himself rather than hide behind some embassy doors .....

Can you prove that? Not even the media is pushing that theory . . . .

SOB

can I prove what? that he was a hacker .. i thought it was common knowledge ... but thats not really the point now is it ... if he was all he pretends to be then he would stand up for himself and face his accussers and not run and hide.....

Mandela was a man I admire ... stood by is convictions no matter what .. he could have run and hidden when he was younger .. but nope, he stood up for what he believed ..

Can you prove that he was trying to make money out of it. He (and everyone else) seem to be saying he was doing it to get information he believed should be public. He didnt steal anything and wasnt trying to make any money from it. Since your story is different i am wondering where you got the idea.

SOB

easy .. go to his website (if its still up and running, don't know and don't really care) and you'll find a section that asks for donations and for credit card details .. that makes it about money ...

Donations. To keep the site up and running. Yeah so?

SOB

yeahhh sure .. and the catholic church ask for donations to help the poor ... been to Rome lately?

I expect now he is in trouble he has gotten a lot of donations but before that - unlikely. Most sites have donation buttons. Hosting etc can get expensive. Its not really a great moneymaking venture though or he would charge to enter the site.

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #388 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 3:19pm

Wikileaks is a non profit organisation, yes much like some churches, although they make huge profits. I have donated to Wikileaks to help pay for Assanges legal costs. Freedom and truth fighters don't come cheap you know, especially when the USA want their guts for garters.

The lying Murdoch or Fairfax press want you to pay for their lies, what's the difference?

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Re: Assange Granted Ecuadorian Asylum
Reply #389 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 3:29pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Address the point though.

Would you not argue that releasing into the public domain private documents obtained illegally without even knowing what is in them is reckless?

Reckless or not , the truth had to get out there, it was worth the risk. It was better that the world was informed of who the real terrorist nation is.

Assmange has caused the deaths of innocent people by releasing confidential documents.

I am sure the families of those killed think it was worth it according to Pansi.

Pansi is not one to care about lives being lost if they are American or Western,.

There were elderly Afghans killed by the wikileaks, The Taliban thanked wikileaks for giving them a hit list of names.

you got a link to that, i thought an official report said they could not link any deaths to wikileaks.
i'm interested if you do have a link as that might change my opinion on the bloke

Here is one

http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revea...

baronvonrort, thanks for that, educational and sobering reading Sad

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