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A Good Tax At Last
Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm

heard someone has proposed a tax on foods with high levels of sugar and fat.

at last a tax that will be a win/win.

save a fortune in health care costs and hopefully kick the fruit and vege growers along.

if you want you could even introduce a subsidy on fresh fruit veges and milk.

also heard that there are now estimated to be 20,000,000 roos in qld alone. why arent we eating them, so much healthier than pork and beef.

put a tax and pork and beef and subsidise roo.
another win/win/win.

healthy, good for farmers (as opposed to feedlots) better for the soil.

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Reply #1 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:37pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

heard someone has proposed a tax on foods with high levels of sugar and fat.

at last a tax that will be a win/win.

save a fortune in health care costs and hopefully kick the fruit and vege growers along.

if you want you could even introduce a subsidy on fresh fruit veges and milk.

also heard that there are now estimated to be 20,000,000 roos in qld alone. why arent we eating them, so much healthier than pork and beef.

put a tax and pork and beef and subsidise roo.
another win/win/win.

healthy, good for farmers (as opposed to feedlots) better for the soil.

Next they will carbon tax me for dropping a fart.

Come on, when's it going to stop.

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Re: A Good Tax At Last
Reply #2 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:55pm

Verge wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

heard someone has proposed a tax on foods with high levels of sugar and fat.

at last a tax that will be a win/win.

save a fortune in health care costs and hopefully kick the fruit and vege growers along.

if you want you could even introduce a subsidy on fresh fruit veges and milk.

also heard that there are now estimated to be 20,000,000 roos in qld alone. why arent we eating them, so much healthier than pork and beef.

put a tax and pork and beef and subsidise roo.
another win/win/win.

healthy, good for farmers (as opposed to feedlots) better for the soil.

Next they will carbon tax me for dropping a fart.

Come on, when's it going to stop.

I agree. How about letting us run our own lives and take our own risks. Its one thing to smoke and virtually ensure lung cancer or other diseases. It is another to use sugar... or salt... or fats... or where does it end?

Stay out of my pantry.

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Re: A Good Tax At Last
Reply #3 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:58pm

the id gold medal is in illusion

when you vote you give your power unto that

which is external

these freemasonic dupes you elect bring new taxes in

which you do empower and permit

to complain about taxes in your pantry is a bit rich,

are you familiar with the term, reap the whirlwind?

can you spell hypocrite?

ok cool

so be it

namaste

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Re: A Good Tax At Last
Reply #4 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:33pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

heard someone has proposed a tax on foods with high levels of sugar and fat.

at last a tax that will be a win/win.

save a fortune in health care costs and hopefully kick the fruit and vege growers along.

if you want you could even introduce a subsidy on fresh fruit veges and milk.

also heard that there are now estimated to be 20,000,000 roos in qld alone. why arent we eating them, so much healthier than pork and beef.

put a tax and pork and beef and subsidise roo.
another win/win/win.

healthy, good for farmers (as opposed to feedlots) better for the soil.

Next they will carbon tax me for dropping a fart.

Come on, when's it going to stop.

I agree. How about letting us run our own lives and take our own risks. Its one thing to smoke and virtually ensure lung cancer or other diseases. It is another to use sugar... or salt... or fats... or where does it end?

Stay out of my pantry.

i have no problem with that provided you

1 are willing to pay a much higher private health insurance premium due to your risk of diabetes and heart disease and stroke.

2 are willing to admit that childhood obesity in the under 10"s is a form of child abuse , no different to blowing smoke in your kids face.

3 are willing to fore go government pensions and access to superannuation early if you cannot work due to self inflicted health conditions.

fair is fair, lets let the market sort this out.

i'm also calling for all people over 100 kg to be charged excess baggage on plane flights. why should a 70 kg person with 30 kg of baggage pay more than a 150 kg person.

lets let the market sort this out as well.

and if you want the tax payer to stay out of your pantry, stay out of his hospital

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Re: A Good Tax At Last
Reply #5 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:52pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

heard someone has proposed a tax on foods with high levels of sugar and fat.

at last a tax that will be a win/win.

save a fortune in health care costs and hopefully kick the fruit and vege growers along.

if you want you could even introduce a subsidy on fresh fruit veges and milk.

also heard that there are now estimated to be 20,000,000 roos in qld alone. why arent we eating them, so much healthier than pork and beef.

put a tax and pork and beef and subsidise roo.
another win/win/win.

healthy, good for farmers (as opposed to feedlots) better for the soil.

Next they will carbon tax me for dropping a fart.

Come on, when's it going to stop.

I agree. How about letting us run our own lives and take our own risks. Its one thing to smoke and virtually ensure lung cancer or other diseases. It is another to use sugar... or salt... or fats... or where does it end?

Stay out of my pantry.

i have no problem with that provided you

1 are willing to pay a much higher private health insurance premium due to your risk of diabetes and heart disease and stroke.

2 are willing to admit that childhood obesity in the under 10"s is a form of child abuse , no different to blowing smoke in your kids face.

3 are willing to fore go government pensions and access to superannuation early if you cannot work due to self inflicted health conditions.

fair is fair, lets let the market sort this out.

i'm also calling for all people over 100 kg to be charged excess baggage on plane flights. why should a 70 kg person with 30 kg of baggage pay more than a 150 kg person.

lets let the market sort this out as well.

and if you want the tax payer to stay out of your pantry, stay out of his hospital

Thats a bit simplistic isnt? How about making it even simpler and have government both stay out of the pantry and provide no medical health care at all. That way I end up paying just for the damage I cause to my body. sound fair?

and I am sick of people using the term 'obese' to refer to others - especially children - who are nothing more than overweight by a definition that is in itself flawed. BMI is a crap definition that is a culturally defined as it is medically. Some kids and people are just overweight. Some are fat and others are obese. I object to a doctor referring to a person as obese because their weight is 5kgs over a statistical norm that is in itself wrong.

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Reply #6 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:19pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

and I am sick of people using the term 'obese' to refer to others - especially children - who are nothing more than overweight by a definition that is in itself flawed. BMI is a crap definition that is a culturally defined as it is medically. Some kids and people are just overweight. Some are fat and others are obese. I object to a doctor referring to a person as obese because their weight is 5kgs over a statistical norm that is in itself wrong.

You're right. Some people's bodies just absorb the fat. It must be pretty insulting to be told you're unhealthy.

How great it would be if we went back to the good old days when there was no difference in perceived health terms between fat and skinny people. Women have started thinking it's beautiful to be skinny.

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Reply #7 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:20pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

heard someone has proposed a tax on foods with high levels of sugar and fat.

at last a tax that will be a win/win.

save a fortune in health care costs and hopefully kick the fruit and vege growers along.

if you want you could even introduce a subsidy on fresh fruit veges and milk.

also heard that there are now estimated to be 20,000,000 roos in qld alone. why arent we eating them, so much healthier than pork and beef.

put a tax and pork and beef and subsidise roo.
another win/win/win.

healthy, good for farmers (as opposed to feedlots) better for the soil.

Next they will carbon tax me for dropping a fart.

Come on, when's it going to stop.

I agree. How about letting us run our own lives and take our own risks. Its one thing to smoke and virtually ensure lung cancer or other diseases. It is another to use sugar... or salt... or fats... or where does it end?

Stay out of my pantry.

i have no problem with that provided you

1 are willing to pay a much higher private health insurance premium due to your risk of diabetes and heart disease and stroke.

2 are willing to admit that childhood obesity in the under 10"s is a form of child abuse , no different to blowing smoke in your kids face.

3 are willing to fore go government pensions and access to superannuation early if you cannot work due to self inflicted health conditions.

fair is fair, lets let the market sort this out.

i'm also calling for all people over 100 kg to be charged excess baggage on plane flights. why should a 70 kg person with 30 kg of baggage pay more than a 150 kg person.

lets let the market sort this out as well.

and if you want the tax payer to stay out of your pantry, stay out of his hospital

Thats a bit simplistic isnt? How about making it even simpler and have government both stay out of the pantry and provide no medical health care at all. That way I end up paying just for the damage I cause to my body. sound fair?

and I am sick of people using the term 'obese' to refer to others - especially children - who are nothing more than overweight by a definition that is in itself flawed. BMI is a crap definition that is a culturally defined as it is medically. Some kids and people are just overweight. Some are fat and others are obese. I object to a doctor referring to a person as obese because their weight is 5kgs over a statistical norm that is in itself wrong.

you can call them whatever you want, i call them unhealthy

and your solution would appear a bit simplistic,
cost of one admission with coronary stents (cost to the taxpayer) $20,000.

think the health minister is going to adopt your simplistic solution and let the dude die.

dialysis $60,000 a year. commonest cause, type 2 diabetes. commonest cause diet.

think society will just simplisticly let the kidney patients die.

the cost will always be met.

so you approve of a packet of tim tams being cheaper than a lettuce and farmers chucking excess fruit and veges away.

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Reply #8 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:21pm

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

and I am sick of people using the term 'obese' to refer to others - especially children - who are nothing more than overweight by a definition that is in itself flawed. BMI is a crap definition that is a culturally defined as it is medically. Some kids and people are just overweight. Some are fat and others are obese. I object to a doctor referring to a person as obese because their weight is 5kgs over a statistical norm that is in itself wrong.

You're right. Some people's bodies just absorb the fat. It must be pretty insulting to be told you're unhealthy.

How great it would be if we went back to the good old days when there was no difference in perceived health terms between fat and skinny people. Women have started thinking it's beautiful to be skinny.

could you give me the scientific reference for "some peoples bodies just absorb fat" Shocked

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Reply #9 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:54pm

Like fat then go take the tour, visit Penrith Plaza and watch the sloths of Australia Strut their stuff...and stuff they go. They stuff everything in their mouths they can. Check out the food court where Maccas and Kentucky Fried Chicken reign supreme. Check out the big mommas and poppas with guts bulging over their waistbands and their sloth offspring as they sloth gracelessly through the beautiful shopping centre in their uggs boots...pearls before swine.

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Reply #10 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:13pm

Don't get me wrong - obesity is a big (heh) problem, but a "fat tax" is a step in the wrong direction.

There is nothing wrong with fat per se. Pensalising that will push people towards carbohydrates, especially grains, and you the problem will grow.

A better way to target it would be -

1.approving more of exercise. No public libaility excuses. No "everyones a winner" sport with noone keeping score. No "someone could get hurt" BS. let people run around for gods sake, especially in schools.
2. Education - I know it's not "PC" for women to take home-ec, or learn to cook, but FFS at what price? I'm lucky that i married a chef, but it shouldn't be an oddity that my wife actually knows and values good food.
There's also the little problem of who's gonna teach what a good diet is. It does vary slightly betwen people/races/body types but I think one of the main causes of our increased waistlines and plummeting fitness levels, is that bogus "daily food pyramid" that kelloggs brought out and passed off as truth.

Piss off the soft drink. Piss off the grains. Piss off the highly processed faux-food.
There is no better start to the day than bacon and eggs. Seriously.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: A Good Tax At Last Reply #11 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:23pm Allow private health insurers to discriminate against certain types of people seeking insurance.
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Mnemonic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1530 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A Good Tax At Last Reply #12 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:28pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:21pm: could you give me the scientific reference for "some peoples bodies just absorb fat" I remember a TV program that explained how the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids in cells influenced metabolic rates, and therefore fat absorption.
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Reply #13 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:51pm

... wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

Don't get me wrong - obesity is a big (heh) problem, but a "fat tax" is a step in the wrong direction.

There is nothing wrong with fat per se. Pensalising that will push people towards carbohydrates, especially grains, and you the problem will grow.

A better way to target it would be -

1.approving more of exercise. No public libaility excuses. No "everyones a winner" sport with noone keeping score. No "someone could get hurt" BS. let people run around for gods sake, especially in schools.
2. Education - I know it's not "PC" for women to take home-ec, or learn to cook, but FFS at what price? I'm lucky that i married a chef, but it shouldn't be an oddity that my wife actually knows and values good food.
There's also the little problem of who's gonna teach what a good diet is. It does vary slightly betwen people/races/body types but I think one of the main causes of our increased waistlines and plummeting fitness levels, is that bogus "daily food pyramid" that kelloggs brought out and passed off as truth.

Piss off the soft drink. Piss off the grains. Piss off the highly processed faux-food.
There is no better start to the day than bacon and eggs. Seriously.

i like some of that.

i suppose my point would be this.

if we accept obesity is a major drain on health and productivity (and the figures i saw were about $15 billion a year)
then how is this different from a extra tax on smokes and alcohol.

surely gold medal doesnt wish to remove those taxes which i would also see as a win win.

give the tax back to people as an income tax reduction,

i agree grains are an interesting issue and apologies mnemonic, my previous post was not meant as a put down and the issue is very complicated.

but we could surely agree
soft drinks , lollies, breakfast cereals with over 20 % sugar,
sweet biscuits,
just too cheap.

brocholli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts just too dear.

the wave of health costs are going to kill the government budgets.
already over 1 billion a year just in cholesterol lowering drugs. 10 billion in dentistry

will be interesting to see how china tackles its emerging diabetes problem.

they'll probably take about 15 seconds to ban junk food in schools

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: A Good Tax At Last Reply #14 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:57pm I bet that figure of $15 billion (which sounds insanely high) does not net off the enjoyment people get from eating fatty foods.
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