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The Dole Is Too Low - A New Report Says.
Aug 27^th, 2012 at 6:36am

Dole's far too low: report

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August 27, 2012

THE federal government has been urged to raise the dole amid warnings it is falling well behind other welfare payments. Huh

A report prepared by the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling for church welfare agencies says the government has been sitting on advice since 2009 that there were growing inequalities between the dole and other government allowances. Sad

''The unemployment benefit in Australia is particularly low, especially for singles,'' says the report, to be released today.

''The Newstart allowance and Youth Allowance job seeker payment rates are indexed to the Australian Bureau of Statistics Consumer Price Index which is consistently lower than average household incomes growth and ensures that these households continue to slide further behind the rest of the community in terms of economic resources and opportunities''.

The 2009 Henry Review recommended job seeker allowances be raised, also arguing there was growing inequality between the dole and other government pensions. Sad

Singles with no children who receive the Newstart allowance are eligible for $244 a week, plus a possible $60.10 a week in rental assistance. This compares with the average male weekly earning of $1298. After basics are paid for, Newstart recipients have an average of $22 a day discretionary money.

A Senate committee will this week hold public hearings on the adequacy of Newstart. The inquiry was sparked by Greens senator Rachel Siewert, who lived for a week on the equivalent of the dole.

''We know that over 60 per cent of people who receive Newstart are on the payment for more than 12 months,'' Senator Siewert said. ''Newstart remains more than $130 per week below the poverty line.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/doles-far-too-low-report-20120826-24ulk.html#ixzz24gbRFpqI

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Reply #2 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: The Dole Is Too Low - A New Report Says. Reply #3 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:44pm OK, Let's put it to the vote.
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Reply #4 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

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Reply #5 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: The Dole Is Too Low - A New Report Says. Reply #6 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:51pm Quote: ''We know that over 60 per cent of people who receive Newstart are on the payment for more than 12 months,'' Senator Siewert said. So much for bludgers being a "tiny minority" eh?
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Reply #7 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:52pm

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

so you support eugenics?

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Reply #8 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

so you support eugenics?

Eugenics suggests an outside entity consciously working to a specific goal.

I support non-intervention. Ie water finding it's own level. If a few deadshits should find the challenge of feeding themselves insurmountable, I say good riddance. Survival of the fittest innit?

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Re: The Dole Is Too Low - A New Report Says.
Reply #9 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

so you support eugenics?

Eugenics suggests an outside entity consciously working to a specific goal.

I support non-intervention. Ie water finding it's own level. If a few deadshits should find the challenge of feeding themselves insurmountable, I say good riddance. Survival of the fittest innit?

unless its you of course

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Reply #10 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:02pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

so you support eugenics?

Eugenics suggests an outside entity consciously working to a specific goal.

I support non-intervention. Ie water finding it's own level. If a few deadshits should find the challenge of feeding themselves insurmountable, I say good riddance. Survival of the fittest innit?

unless its you of course

Sure. But seeing as how I'm way ahead of the curve by any metric you choose, it's not likely to be me. I'm tired of being "scaled" down by my inferiors.

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Re: The Dole Is Too Low - A New Report Says.
Reply #11 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:06pm

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:02pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

so you support eugenics?

Eugenics suggests an outside entity consciously working to a specific goal.

I support non-intervention. Ie water finding it's own level. If a few deadshits should find the challenge of feeding themselves insurmountable, I say good riddance. Survival of the fittest innit?

unless its you of course

Sure. But seeing as how I'm way ahead of the curve by any metric you choose, it's not likely to be me. I'm tired of being "scaled" down by my inferiors.

the financial system is an easy game and people should have the choice not to play without starving to death

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Reply #12 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:16pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:02pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

so you support eugenics?

Eugenics suggests an outside entity consciously working to a specific goal.

I support non-intervention. Ie water finding it's own level. If a few deadshits should find the challenge of feeding themselves insurmountable, I say good riddance. Survival of the fittest innit?

unless its you of course

Sure. But seeing as how I'm way ahead of the curve by any metric you choose, it's not likely to be me. I'm tired of being "scaled" down by my inferiors.

the financial system is an easy game and people should have the choice not to play without starving to death

Yep, well rattling your tin cup isn't helping.

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Reply #13 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:17pm

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:02pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

so you support eugenics?

Eugenics suggests an outside entity consciously working to a specific goal.

I support non-intervention. Ie water finding it's own level. If a few deadshits should find the challenge of feeding themselves insurmountable, I say good riddance. Survival of the fittest innit?

unless its you of course

Sure. But seeing as how I'm way ahead of the curve by any metric you choose, it's not likely to be me. I'm tired of being "scaled" down by my inferiors.

the financial system is an easy game and people should have the choice not to play without starving to death

Yep, well rattling your tin cup isn't helping.

paying tax aint helping

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Reply #14 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:21pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:17pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:02pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Seen those Senate submissions yet, Imcrook?

There's a link in the 'sticky'....

Overwhelming support for an increase and a better deal all-round.

"deals" imply that you're giving something in return. A negotiation with mutual benefits, rather than rattling your cup.

You'll have to explain to me - how is giving more for nothing in return a better deal all round?

so people not starving to death is not a positive?

Depends what people. Cool

so you support eugenics?

Eugenics suggests an outside entity consciously working to a specific goal.

I support non-intervention. Ie water finding it's own level. If a few deadshits should find the challenge of feeding themselves insurmountable, I say good riddance. Survival of the fittest innit?

unless its you of course

Sure. But seeing as how I'm way ahead of the curve by any metric you choose, it's not likely to be me. I'm tired of being "scaled" down by my inferiors.

the financial system is an easy game and people should have the choice not to play without starving to death

Yep, well rattling your tin cup isn't helping.

paying tax aint helping

Sure isn't helping me, I know.
I didn't ask to pay to support your worthless hide. Unfortunately, if I don't, I get thrown in prison, leaving my own dependants in need. Consider yourself fortunate.

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Question: Should the dole be
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Increased? 7 (46.7%) Decreased? 0 (0.0%) Scrapped all together? 3 (20.0%) Kept the same? 5 (33.3%) Total votes: 15 « Created by: muso on: Aug 27^th, 2012 at 4:44pm »