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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #60 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:06pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

But you guys are too much. It's one thing to be aware and even take issue with the actions of the west, and everyone should do that. But it is ridiculous to see everything the west does as wrong and therefore defend the actions of any enemy it has.

Are you usually such a drama queen?

This has very little to do with defending or condemning the actions of the West as a whole. I am not blaming the Great Satan (or his little brothers) for all of the world's ills. I am blaming Israel for the actions of Israel.

Who is defending every action of the "enemies" of the West?

You talk in absolutes and make yourself sound like an even bigger wanker than I suspected - no easy feat by any standards.

I talk in absolutes? Coming from the person who just wrote;

"There is an ongoing war between the Palestinians and the Israelis because the Israelis continue to bombard Palestinians mercilessly."

And

"If Palestinian children throw stones at Israeli soldiers, so what? They are still children. Violence is what they have learnt from the Israeli oppressors."

A very objective view of the situation. Really balancing up all the issues at work and coming to a logical conclusion. I assume by your great knowledge and avoidance of the question you have indeed been to the middle east and seen what is really going on there? Surely you must of to be so cock sure of your opinions. You wouldn't possibly just be regurgitating some anti Israel lefty sh1t you read somewhere would you?

Don't judge me by your own slack-arsed intellectual standards. I'm fully aware of the complexities of the Palestine/Israel situation.

Can you deny that Palestinian children have been raised in a climate of fear that is caused by the oppression of their occupiers?

If you are so aware why do you get it so wrong when you post comments?

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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #61 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:18pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

I am not one of them, MM. Quantum was referring to my post in his.

I will put my hand up and apologize on that one. I was not actually referring to your post specifically. The only part of my post that was in direct response to that group of quotes was the first line. The main part of my post (the second sentence and following) was to the thread in general. I was not aiming that post at yours, although I can see why it looked like that having read it again.

I certainly don't agree with your remarks regarding Israel to the same extent you do, but my comment about taking the side of any enemy of the west was not aimed at you. That a was formatting mistake by myself.

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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #62 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:31pm

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

But you guys are too much. It's one thing to be aware and even take issue with the actions of the west, and everyone should do that. But it is ridiculous to see everything the west does as wrong and therefore defend the actions of any enemy it has.

Are you usually such a drama queen?

This has very little to do with defending or condemning the actions of the West as a whole. I am not blaming the Great Satan (or his little brothers) for all of the world's ills. I am blaming Israel for the actions of Israel.

Who is defending every action of the "enemies" of the West?

You talk in absolutes and make yourself sound like an even bigger wanker than I suspected - no easy feat by any standards.

I talk in absolutes? Coming from the person who just wrote;

"There is an ongoing war between the Palestinians and the Israelis because the Israelis continue to bombard Palestinians mercilessly."

And

"If Palestinian children throw stones at Israeli soldiers, so what? They are still children. Violence is what they have learnt from the Israeli oppressors."

Are you saying thats not the case?

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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #63 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:44pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

But you guys are too much. It's one thing to be aware and even take issue with the actions of the west, and everyone should do that. But it is ridiculous to see everything the west does as wrong and therefore defend the actions of any enemy it has.

Are you usually such a drama queen?

This has very little to do with defending or condemning the actions of the West as a whole. I am not blaming the Great Satan (or his little brothers) for all of the world's ills. I am blaming Israel for the actions of Israel.

Who is defending every action of the "enemies" of the West?

You talk in absolutes and make yourself sound like an even bigger wanker than I suspected - no easy feat by any standards.

I talk in absolutes? Coming from the person who just wrote;

"There is an ongoing war between the Palestinians and the Israelis because the Israelis continue to bombard Palestinians mercilessly."

And

"If Palestinian children throw stones at Israeli soldiers, so what? They are still children. Violence is what they have learnt from the Israeli oppressors."

Are you saying thats not the case?

SOB

Of course its not the case when put in absolute terms like that.

Has Israel made bad choices in the past that has influenced further violence? Yes.

Have there been individual members of the the Israeli government and military that have looked for violence at times. Yes

Does that mean that Israel is to blame for all the violent acts committed by Palestinians young and old? No

So I assume that you're saying that it is the case? Israel is to blame for everything?

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Reply #64 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm

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Who is defending every action of the "enemies" of the West?

You are Annie, in this post for example, you try to lay all the blame at Israel's feet. Whatever nasty things the Palestinians did, before or after 1948, apparently it can all be blamed on this. Western Apologist did the same thing, even trying to claim the Palestinians were tolerant of non-Muslims before the creation of Israel.

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Australia children aren't refugees in their own lands are they? I suppose you could draw a parallel to Indigenous children.

There is an ongoing war between the Palestinians and the Israelis because the Israelis continue to bombard Palestinians mercilessly.

If Palestinian children throw stones at Israeli soldiers, so what? They are still children. Violence is what they have learnt from the Israeli oppressors.

What are you suggesting? That children should be free to throw molotov cocktails and the soldiers should somehow ignore it out of a misplaced sense of children's rights?

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Don't judge me by your own slack-arsed intellectual standards. I'm fully aware of the complexities of the Palestine/Israel situation.

You painted a very simplistic picture above.

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Can you deny that Palestinian children have been raised in a climate of fear that is caused by the oppression of their occupiers?

Throwing molotov cocktails at a tank or armed soldiers is not fear. It is lunacy. The Israelis did not make them lunatics.

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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #65 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 8:16pm

You have to be cruel to be kind, and it goes doubly for the Palestinian children.
The Jews are not cruel enough, I think. Very uncharitable of them.

I would advise Islamic punishment for the 'children' (ie yufs with bad attitude). That would be the only culturally sensitive response.

Public flogging, cutting off of certain body parts of recalcitrants, public stoning for the incorrigibles. Confiscation of the entire clan's property, selling into concubanage of all the under-40 women, slavery for the boys and men and women over 40.

Islam is the only language they understand. Speak it to them.

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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #66 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:59pm

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

You are Annie, in this post for example, you try to lay all the blame at Israel's feet.

The Palestinians are not the enemies of the West, FD.

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

What are you suggesting? That children should be free to throw molotov cocktails and the soldiers should somehow ignore it out of a misplaced sense of children's rights?

If you can't tell the difference between a rock and a molotov cocktail, how do you expect a child to?

I am suggesting that perhaps if Palestinian children weren't so vulnerable to Israeli death squads - maybe if they saw a chance for a decent future - they might not be so quick to engage in provocative and risky behaviour.

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

You painted a very simplistic picture above.

How? By saying that it's wrong to bomb civilians?

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Throwing molotov cocktails at a tank or armed soldiers is not fear. It is lunacy. The Israelis did not make them lunatics.

They are not lunatics. They are desperate. They are suffering from trauma exposure and depression and anxiety - and yes, that can be laid squarely at the feet of the Israeli government and military.

There are plenty of Israeli civilians that can see the truth and condemn the actions of their government - perhaps you should take note before you jump to the defence of criminals and murderers.

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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #67 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:21pm

Annie tell me that you can tell the difference between a 15 year
Old and a 18 year old from 100m in blazing sunshine with rocks and molotovs thrown at you.

I myself have fired at what I thought was adults only later can see they are teens.

They should not be doing it.
They are not desperate at all. They are making trouble and we are not just going to sit and allow it.

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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #68 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:26pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

You are Annie, in this post for example, you try to lay all the blame at Israel's feet.

The Palestinians are not the enemies of the West, FD.

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

What are you suggesting? That children should be free to throw molotov cocktails and the soldiers should somehow ignore it out of a misplaced sense of children's rights?

If you can't tell the difference between a rock and a molotov cocktail, how do you expect a child to?

I am suggesting that perhaps if Palestinian children weren't so vulnerable to Israeli death squads - maybe if they saw a chance for a decent future - they might not be so quick to engage in provocative and risky behaviour.

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

You painted a very simplistic picture above.

How? By saying that it's wrong to bomb civilians?

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Throwing molotov cocktails at a tank or armed soldiers is not fear. It is lunacy. The Israelis did not make them lunatics.

They are not lunatics. They are desperate. They are suffering from trauma exposure and depression and anxiety - and yes, that can be laid squarely at the feet of the Israeli government and military.

There are plenty of Israeli civilians that can see the truth and condemn the actions of their government - perhaps you should take note before you jump to the defence of criminals and murderers.

So what would pacify the Palestinians?
1. Palestinian statehood in the West Bank and Gaza? (plus Jordan - evidently not enough)

2. Or nothing short of the eradication of Israel?

I am tipping 2. What's your guess?

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Israel's cruelty to children Reply #69 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:32pm 3.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Israel's cruelty to children Reply #70 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:46pm That'd be right. 3. - Blank stare.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Israel's cruelty to children Reply #71 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:49pm Annie, in your Christianity when someone slaps you in the cheek you offer him the other cheek. In Israel when someone slap us we slap them back harder.
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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #72 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:24am

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

But you guys are too much. It's one thing to be aware and even take issue with the actions of the west, and everyone should do that. But it is ridiculous to see everything the west does as wrong and therefore defend the actions of any enemy it has.

Are you usually such a drama queen?

This has very little to do with defending or condemning the actions of the West as a whole. I am not blaming the Great Satan (or his little brothers) for all of the world's ills. I am blaming Israel for the actions of Israel.

Who is defending every action of the "enemies" of the West?

You talk in absolutes and make yourself sound like an even bigger wanker than I suspected - no easy feat by any standards.

I talk in absolutes? Coming from the person who just wrote;

"There is an ongoing war between the Palestinians and the Israelis because the Israelis continue to bombard Palestinians mercilessly."

And

"If Palestinian children throw stones at Israeli soldiers, so what? They are still children. Violence is what they have learnt from the Israeli oppressors."

Are you saying thats not the case?

SOB

Of course its not the case when put in absolute terms like that.

Has Israel made bad choices in the past that has influenced further violence? Yes.

Have there been individual members of the the Israeli government and military that have looked for violence at times. Yes

Does that mean that Israel is to blame for all the violent acts committed by Palestinians young and old? No

So I assume that you're saying that it is the case? Israel is to blame for everything?

Well they are to blame for most of it in this generation. Their bullying and their refusal to talk to hamas. their constant bulldozing and thinking they are more important than anyone else.

SOB

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: Israel's cruelty to children Reply #73 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:25am Quote: What are you suggesting? That children should be free to throw molotov cocktails and the soldiers should somehow ignore it out of a misplaced sense of children's rights? how many molotov cocktails have been thrown by children? 3? 2? 5? Enough to justify torturing all palestinian children? SOB
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Re: Israel's cruelty to children
Reply #74 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:30am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:21pm:

Annie tell me that you can tell the difference between a 15 year
Old and a 18 year old from 100m in blazing sunshine with rocks and molotovs thrown at you.

I myself have fired at what I thought was adults only later can see they are teens.

They should not be doing it.
They are not desperate at all. They are making trouble and we are not just going to sit and allow it.

Oh hullo - thought you said you didnt shoot @ ppl?

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