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Reply #90 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:12pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:09pm:

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The trendies are very vocal about what isn't brave - how about an example or two of what is?

Having a kid. Bravest thing I've ever done. Be a hero to your son or daughter.

In the army, that's where most blokes want to be - back home.

And that's exactly where every soldier should be.

Rewarding, yes.
Brave, not at all.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96716	Re: Afghanistan Reply #91 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:14pm Bravery is committment, old son. You can't undo having a kid. You're stuck with them for 20 years or so - longer than most stints in the army.
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Reply #92 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:14pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:06pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 1:56pm:

sitting at home and never have seen a day of conflict in your life - then criticizing those people who do so - is the work of a coward.

I dont have any problems with people who do not serve in the forces - not everybody does so - even in Israel the Orthodox do not - and I prefer that they do not

There's plenty of people I wouldn't want in the army, old son. Most of the choccos on this board for a start. They love to bleat on about how great it is to serve, but they wouldn't know the first thing.

Fighting a war is - for the most part - boring. You sit around cleaning your weapon and talking sh!t most of the time.

When you get in a blue it's quick. You're never prepared for it. You do what you can and get out as quick as you can. The last thing you want is heroes smacking around. Sure, most soldiers like a bit of a blue, but we can't stand a smacking hero.

Leave all that bullsh!t to the officers.

I actually agree with all this.

Nobody i have ever served in the army along with - wants to be a hero.

I preferred all the time when we did not have the conflict.

The boring is also what it can be as well - i remember well one day the 3 of us on a big hill checkpoint where nobody came for about 7 hours - we tried to name all the winners of the world cups from Uruguay to today.

For me it was 15% of my 2.5 years active service in conflict situation and 75% checking ID and pass cards of citizens, 10% of nothing at all.

This is same everywhere - even worse for peaceful countries like Australia.

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Reply #93 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:16pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bravery is committment, old son. You can't undo having a kid. You're stuck with them for 20 years or so - longer than most stints in the army.

Bravery is forging ahead despite the risk to ones self. Where's the risk? Wheres the conscious decision to push on, when there is no alternative?

C'mon Karnal - you know it's a cop out.

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Reply #94 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:22pm

Elvis - it depends.

The subject is very very open ends.

Think - if someone is pushing on, despite the risk - is it brave or is it stupid?

What is the reason they are pushing on?

If it is to assist and help a injured colleague then there is the merit.

If it is to try to remove a enemy - it is not brave - he is risking many things and the more sensible is to pull back and re-engage the situation.

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Reply #95 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:24pm

... wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bravery is committment, old son. You can't undo having a kid. You're stuck with them for 20 years or so - longer than most stints in the army.

Bravery is forging ahead despite the risk to ones self. Where's the risk? Wheres the conscious decision to push on, when there is no alternative?

C'mon Karnal - you know it's a cop out.

Easy for you maybe - a cushy job in a developed country where you can post on this board all day and go home on time.

80% of the world live on a few dollars a day. The choices and opportunities there are different. Try being a foreign guest worker in Saudi Arabia and spending years without your family doing nothing but work and sending the money home.

Most jobs in developing countries are 10 to 12 hour shifts, six days a week, and you're lucky to have the job. Hardly a cop out.

I'm not sure that you know just how privaleged you really are: no war, good income, no food, water or electricty shortages. You don't live in a slum.

Before criticising others for their bad luck, you might like to acknowledge your own.

And it is luck, you know. None of us have done that much to earn it.

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Reply #96 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:28pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:24pm:

... wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bravery is committment, old son. You can't undo having a kid. You're stuck with them for 20 years or so - longer than most stints in the army.

Bravery is forging ahead despite the risk to ones self. Where's the risk? Wheres the conscious decision to push on, when there is no alternative?

C'mon Karnal - you know it's a cop out.

Easy for you maybe - a cushy job in a developed country where you can post on this board all day and go home on time.

You don't strike me as the kind of guy who works hard, or in difficult conditions. So bearing in mind your previous statement:

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:09pm:

Having a kid. Bravest thing I've ever done.

Explain to me how having a kid, while holding down a cushy job in a developed country makes you 'brave'.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96716	Re: Afghanistan Reply #97 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:32pm Stop being a pedantic old queen and be grateful for what you've got, Honky. Having a kid is brave because it means putting someone else's life first. And I've got the cushiest job in the world.
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Reply #98 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:36pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:32pm:

Stop being a pedantic old queen and be grateful for what you've got, Honky.

Having a kid is brave because it means putting someone else's life first.

So what you mean is that throughout the course of a childs life, you may be called upon to do brave deeds. So having a kid is motivation for bravery, not bravery itself. Nothing about having a kid ie rooting a shiela is inherently "brave." Unless of course she looks like your wife.

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Reply #99 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:39pm

... wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:32pm:

Stop being a pedantic old queen and be grateful for what you've got, Honky.

Having a kid is brave because it means putting someone else's life first.

So what you mean is that throughout the course of a childs life, you may be called upon to do brave deeds. So having a kid is motivation for bravery, not bravery itself. Nothing about having a kid ie rooting a shiela is inherently "brave." Unless of course she looks like your wife.

Shooting one in there is easy, old son. Raising them up is much harder.

Getting them to do what you say means changing how you say things.

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Reply #100 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:43pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:24pm:

... wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bravery is committment, old son. You can't undo having a kid. You're stuck with them for 20 years or so - longer than most stints in the army.

Bravery is forging ahead despite the risk to ones self. Where's the risk? Wheres the conscious decision to push on, when there is no alternative?

C'mon Karnal - you know it's a cop out.

Easy for you maybe - a cushy job in a developed country where you can post on this board all day and go home on time.

80% of the world live on a few dollars a day. The choices and opportunities there are different. Try being a foreign guest worker in Saudi Arabia and spending years without your family doing nothing but work and sending the money home.

Most jobs in developing countries are 10 to 12 hour shifts, six days a week, and you're lucky to have the job. Hardly a cop out.

I'm not sure that you know just how privaleged you really are: no war, good income, no food, water or electricty shortages. You don't live in a slum.

Before criticising others for their bad luck, you might like to acknowledge your own.

And it is luck, you know. None of us have done that much to earn it.

You can only call it luck when you sever the ties of the past. And this is what the neo-Marxists are very good at: removing all bonds between men. Destroying the family and the civilization link between men is at work here when trying to put it all down to luck. Luck only plays a part. Previous generations worked their arses off to give us what we have today. We should be thankful for that. But it's not trendy to thank our forefathers is it. No, we must rebel! rebel! rebel! like good little trendies.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96716	Re: Afghanistan Reply #101 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:47pm That's right, son. Previous generations of workers, convicts, slaves and immigrants. The lot. How about those Kanaks, eh? Cutting sugarcane in the Queensland heat with machetes. Thirsty work, that. You don't sound very grateful, son. You just sound psssed off.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Afghanistan Reply #102 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 3:03pm i have not raised a child so yet - i am not even married so far. I have all this fun to come.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Afghanistan Reply #103 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 3:06pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 3:03pm: i have not raised a child so yet - i am not even married so far. I have all this fun to come. Not if you keep trying your hardest to get your people holocausted.
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Reply #104 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 3:48pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:04pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 1:56pm:

sitting at home and never have seen a day of conflict in your life - then criticizing those people who do so - is the work of a coward.

I dont have any problems with people who do not serve in the forces - not everybody does so - even in Israel the Orthodox do not - and I prefer that they do not - but when you comment and criticize you are a coward.

Who are you to criticize the military?

How do you know what karnal does?

I haven't seen anyone criticising the military anyway. Pointing out facts about it is not criticising. Also we arent talking about israel. You seem to think every thread is about israel.

SOB

Nothing to do with Israel - it is you who makes idiot comments all the time about everything.
This time it is the military.

You wonder why so many people here think you are a fool?

Just read all your ridiculous comments.

Even the site owner called you a idiot.

Again not addressing the points. You really cant handle being wrong can you. You try to insult instead of addressing the topic. hahahaahahha! Oh and i didnt bring up israel - you did.

how do you feel arab militaries? Are they brave?

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