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Re: Afghanistan
Reply #150 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:29pm

Grey wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

The Talibs are a tumour in the body of humanity. They need cutting out.

That's a surgical metaphor - it doesn't "cure" the source of the tumour. Cut the tumour out and a new one will grow. Before long, the whole body will be filled with cancer.

Before doctors go for surgical options, they usually try chemo or radiation therapy. There, you're trying to change the cells that cause the cancer.

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Reply #151 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:47pm

Grey wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

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Yes, Avram, I agree with you.

That doesn't surprise me, you are both talking tosh.

No war has ever been won by carpet bombing, because there's really no such thing. Infantry has to take and hold ground. Of course the Taliban pose no direct threat to Australian security. The Talibs are a tumour in the body of humanity. They need cutting out.

Technically you could deliver a military victory if you wanted to deliver a weapon from the skies.

Your statement is not true - the 1945 war in the pacific was won and no US soldier went on Mainland Japan and held ground.
It was delivered from the sky.

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Reply #152 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

Grey wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

Grey wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

But Avram, how can I back anyone? I don't have an army, and even if I did, I know they would lose.

I'm not backing Pakistan. I'm putting my money on them. Same with China. Grey says Russia - I'm not so sure.

Should we vote for our favourite political party? Or should we bet on who will win?

It is a democratik question. Before we had democraky, we had only our prayers that the next ruler would not be a tyrant.

Now we KNOW the next ruler will corrupt and useless. It is just the way things are, isn't it.

I'm not backing Russia. I find the scenario I outlined 'prossible'. I would much rather the UN puts some teeth in and restored Afghanistan to the nationhood it enjoyed before the USSR and USA made it their football.

it is a unwinnable hostile terrain - grey you can pour 3,000,000 men into afghanistan and the tribal leaders will send them coming back to you in body bags by thousands.

They are a formidable opponent.

I have served in the army and I am always a man who gives credit to bravery when they are on the other side and the Afghans are the most battle hard men on this world.

Always a reliable mythologist AH. Australia has lost 39 men so far, many from accidents that could've occured training in the Gibson desert, most others from those brave battle hard Talib warriors planting IRD's. Get a grip.

A formidable fighter is the Afghan.

You think the Red Army is a weak opponent?

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Reply #153 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:52pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Grey wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

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Yes, Avram, I agree with you.

That doesn't surprise me, you are both talking tosh.

No war has ever been won by carpet bombing, because there's really no such thing. Infantry has to take and hold ground. Of course the Taliban pose no direct threat to Australian security. The Talibs are a tumour in the body of humanity. They need cutting out.

Technically you could deliver a military victory if you wanted to deliver a weapon from the skies.

Your statement is not true - the 1945 war in the pacific was won and no US soldier went on Mainland Japan and held ground.
It was delivered from the sky.

You're forgetting all those atols - patches of sand men fought with their bare hands to seize.

Grey's right. No war is ever won by carpet-bombing alone. You always need boots on the ground.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Afghanistan Reply #154 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:55pm Japan was in no position to surrender at the start of 1945. The battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa showed the Americans what it would take to beat them and the Americans would lose hundreds of thousands of men in mainland Japan. The war in Japan was won from the sky and Japan surrendered with no American in the country.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Afghanistan Reply #155 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:02pm You can successfully remove threats from the sky. I myself personally have seen us use F-16 strike eagles to remove a threat which would take us days and many men to remove. You can remove the Afghan threats from the skies - the problem is the level of civilians deaths is not supportable in western democracy.
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Reply #156 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:35pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Japan was in no position to surrender at the start of 1945.

The battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa showed the Americans what it would take to beat them and the Americans would lose hundreds of thousands of men in mainland Japan.

The war in Japan was won from the sky and Japan surrendered with no American in the country.

No Amerikans in Japan in WWII?

Sure, wars have been won from the sky, but you can't fight a war that way.

Someone needs to do the mopping up.

bugger the air force. If you want a job done, send in the army.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Afghanistan Reply #157 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:41pm There was no ground invasion of mainland Japan. That battle was won by the USAF.
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Afghanistan Reply #158 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:52pm It wasn't 'carpet bombing' that defeated Japan. It was the display of an awesome new power. A game changer so devastating that fortunately nobody has ever been irresponsible enough to use again.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Afghanistan Reply #159 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:53pm Grey wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:52pm: It wasn't 'carpet bombing' that defeated Japan. It was the display of an awesome new power. A game changer so devastating that fortunately nobody has ever been irresponsible enough to use again. Israel admits it will be irresponsible enough to use them.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Afghanistan Reply #160 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:56pm Grey wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:52pm: It wasn't 'carpet bombing' that defeated Japan. It was the display of an awesome new power. A game changer so devastating that fortunately nobody has ever been irresponsible enough to use again. Tell me you dont think the USA was irrepsonsible in ending the Pacific war with this strategy.
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Reply #161 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:57pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:53pm:

Grey wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

It wasn't 'carpet bombing' that defeated Japan. It was the display of an awesome new power. A game changer so devastating that fortunately nobody has ever been irresponsible enough to use again.

Israel admits it will be irresponsible enough to use them.

israel has never admitted any such thing and continues to make no comment on this subject.

Also in line with my papers signed in 2007 I will make no comment on this subject too.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96721	Re: Afghanistan Reply #162 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 3:07pm Yes, friends, I also will make no comment on this subject. Pakistan will neither confirm or deny.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96721	Re: Afghanistan Reply #163 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 3:08pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:41pm: There was no ground invasion of mainland Japan. That battle was won by the USAF. Japan is no mainland, friend. Perhaps you are confuse with Pakistan.
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Reply #164 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 3:11pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

There was no ground invasion of mainland Japan.

That battle was won by the USAF.

Japan is no mainland, friend. Perhaps you are confuse with Pakistan.

You know what I am talking.

The main inhabited islands of Japan. No Americans invaded before the air assault on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Then Japan surrendered.

Why do you keep mentioning Pakistan? I don't understand what an Aussie has so an interest in a random country like Pakistan!

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