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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Afghanistan Reply #15 - Sep 1^st, 2012 at 7:00pm The duty statement of a soldier is simple: it reads.... Shoot and be shot at. That salient point is spelled out before a person signs on as a soldier.
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Reply #16 - Sep 1^st, 2012 at 7:26pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Can we have another option, please?
Kill 'em all, then leave.

That's what the coalition of the killing have been trying to do for ten years.

They'll be there forever.

They suck at it, the best they can do is raid a few peasant dwellings in the dead of night and kill little kiddies and their mummy's.

My point exactly.

The West has no appetite for actually killing its enemies. It wants to act like some smacking charity. But war is about killing 'em until they know they are defeated. That requires some serious, no holds bared demolition.

Cut off their balls and their hearts and minds will follow. But with a feminised world, it's not like that. It's all about the enemies smacking grievances.
War is about killing, not counselling. If you want to counsel them, don's start a war. If you start a war, forget counselling.

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Reply #17 - Sep 1^st, 2012 at 8:34pm

Rubbish.

The Helicopter video makes THAT very clear.

Or perhaps you are suggesting they only have the ticker to kill civilians.?? I'm talking the yanks here.

And good grief, it's all the fault of feminists.! ! !

I don't think our soldiers in Afghanistan would agree with you at all...they obviously consider what they are doing there to be the right and necessary thing to do.

They are all volunteers...you know?? they went to kill or be killed.... that is what war is about, isn't it?

Now, no-one in their right minds would willingly engage in warfare in Afghanistan.
Its been the death of many armies..... the people are indomitable, and will fight any they consider their foe.
But the fact remains ..we are there...courtesy of Howard and Bush.

They have put us, and the West in general, in a situation that cannot be walked away from.
Well...

...not without accepting defeat.
The Exit Plan is a means of leaving, without appearing to run.

The future is uncertain.

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Reply #18 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:57pm

The western armies in Afghanistan don't have much support from the Afghan's. Is it because they are mostly white and christian??? I think so. The same thing happened in Vietnam. The south Vietnamese stood around while the Americans did all the fighting. The Vietnamese civilians either helped the communists or couldn't give a toss. When it came ready for the south Vietnamese to fight alone they weren't ready and got their butts kicked. That same thing will happen here. With commitment from the Afghan's that don't follow the homicidal Taliban we could win easy. But otherwise it's just another Vietnam. I hate seeing our soldiers die for no reason.

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Reply #19 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 3:21pm

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 7:26pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Can we have another option, please?
Kill 'em all, then leave.

That's what the coalition of the killing have been trying to do for ten years.

They'll be there forever.

They suck at it, the best they can do is raid a few peasant dwellings in the dead of night and kill little kiddies and their mummy's.

My point exactly.

The West has no appetite for actually killing its enemies. It wants to act like some smacking charity.

Enemies? But my frien - aren't we there to help the Afghani peoples? Pashtun, Dari, Hazara, all?

Please explains.

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Reply #20 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 3:36pm

Big Dave wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 12:57pm:

The same thing happened in Vietnam. The south Vietnamese stood around while the Americans did all the fighting. The Vietnamese civilians either helped the communists or couldn't give a toss.

And there you have the rules of the game of insurgencies: ragtag guerrilla outfits fighting external forces within local populations.

We could equally use the example of Balkan partisans during WWII. If the Third Reich wasn't defeated by "conventional" armies, it would have been death of a thousand cuts by partisan forces, despite policies like killing 50 civilians for every German taken or killed.

You can't hold insurgencies off indefinitely. In the long run, they defeat empires each and every time. Mao knew exactly what he was talking about on guerrilla warfare. When you've got the local population on side, the weak overcome the strong each and every time.

Old duckies like the Kaiser above have slept through the entire 20th century.

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Reply #21 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 3:54pm

What kind of idiot would go and fight in another country just because he was told to? I cant feel sorry for the dead soldiers that were there terrorizing and murdering the Afghan locals. If you want to be a soldier expect to get hurt or worse, but the media should stop trying to make these weak minded easily lead morons into heroes,bring them home and stop sending these stupid little boys into harms way for no good reason.

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Reply #22 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 4:00pm

[quote]bigrsoul wrote
What kind of idiot would go and fight in another country just because he was told to? I cant feel sorry for the dead soldiers that were there terrorizing and murdering the Afghan locals. If you want to be a soldier expect to get hurt or worse, but the media should stop trying to make these weak minded easily lead morons into heroes,bring them home and stop sending these stupid little boys into harms way for no good reason.[/quote]

The physical demands required of soldiers makes them far from 'weak minded.' There's a great deal of will power and determination involved to keep pushing yourself physically.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Afghanistan Reply #23 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 4:04pm Even if they chose to go, I still don't see how that's weak minded or moronic. Moreover, how can it be weak minded if you make a conscious decision to participate in the defence force?
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Reply #24 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:03pm

[quote author=0E33373F5A0 link=1346416177/22#22 date=1346565648][quote]bigrsoul wrote
What kind of idiot would go and fight in another country just because he was told to? I cant feel sorry for the dead soldiers that were there terrorizing and murdering the Afghan locals. If you want to be a soldier expect to get hurt or worse, but the media should stop trying to make these weak minded easily lead morons into heroes,bring them home and stop sending these stupid little boys into harms way for no good reason.[/quote]

The physical demands required of soldiers makes them far from 'weak minded.' There's a great deal of will power and determination involved to keep pushing yourself physically.
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Thats funny he said weak minded not weak bodied.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Afghanistan Reply #25 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:04pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 4:04pm: Even if they chose to go, I still don't see how that's weak minded or moronic. Moreover, how can it be weak minded if you make a conscious decision to participate in the defence force? Well: a) doesnt pay well b) risks are great SOB
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Reply #26 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:05pm

[quote author=486B746F44747D445974697C1B0 link=1346416177/24#24 date=1346569420][quote author=0E33373F5A0 link=1346416177/22#22 date=1346565648][quote]bigrsoul wrote
What kind of idiot would go and fight in another country just because he was told to? I cant feel sorry for the dead soldiers that were there terrorizing and murdering the Afghan locals. If you want to be a soldier expect to get hurt or worse, but the media should stop trying to make these weak minded easily lead morons into heroes,bring them home and stop sending these stupid little boys into harms way for no good reason.[/quote]

The physical demands required of soldiers makes them far from 'weak minded.' There's a great deal of will power and determination involved to keep pushing yourself physically.
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Thats funny he said weak minded not weak bodied.

SOB[/quote]

And, as I said, it takes a strong mind to build a strong body.

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Reply #27 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:06pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Even if they chose to go, I still don't see how that's weak minded or moronic.
Moreover, how can it be weak minded if you make a conscious decision to participate in the defence force?

Well:

a) doesnt pay well
b) risks are great

SOB

a. It's not all about money.
b. The courageous like risks.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96715	Re: Afghanistan Reply #28 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:11pm Kids like risks. Fighting a war is all about minimising risks. The job of the courageous is to stop kids from being heroes. It takes a unique dill to sell the idea that war is about the expression of courage. Yes, my friends, it takes a politician.
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Reply #29 - Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 5:25pm

I wonder how many do-gooders will be whinging when the Taliban get in. There'll be executions of all types, women will go back to having the rights of a donkey etc etc etc. The muslims will probably get up and start shouting why something isn't getting done about the incoming massacres. America and it's allies won't come back after they leave either.

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