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Reply #30 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 11:18am

... wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

It's not a matter of giving lands back - it's a matter of if they're strong enough to take and hold it, it is theirs.

If their only valid claim to the land is the fact they've used the most force to take it, then they shouldn't have any complaints when force is used by the inhabitants to stop them taking it.

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Reply #31 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 11:54am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 11:18am:

... wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

It's not a matter of giving lands back - it's a matter of if they're strong enough to take and hold it, it is theirs.

If their only valid claim to the land is the fact they've used the most force to take it, then they shouldn't have any complaints when force is used by the inhabitants to stop them taking it.

true. But you're not so naive as to think 'the inhabitants' possess the necessary force are you? Stone-throwing youths usually come off 2nd best when pitted against tanks and gunships...

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Western terrorist strike again Reply #32 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 12:10pm Abu don't even think to mention Egypt. Their military is no match for ours. You do know we have the best equipped military in the region?
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Re: Western terrorist strike again
Reply #33 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 12:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:11am:

Adamant wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:57pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:20pm:

refer to us correctly.

Whichever you wish -

State of Israel
Eretz YIsrael
אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎‎
Eres Yisraʼel

Whichever you wish to pick, then maybe i can answer your question.

Bucket of ScumRael, with a side serving of stolen land.

Did you know that in the days of Herod, Israel was larger than it is today. The Muslims STOLE that land from the Jews! The Jews then took their land back.

Should they be allowed to TAKE BACK ALL THAT WAS THEIRS AT THE TIME OF HEROD?

And if not, why not?

Herod? are you saying that because a fiction book says something it must be history? Seriously australia and america didnt even exist 2k years ago. aboriginals, indians, maoris . . . .should the lands they occupied be given back to them now?

Of course we have heard all this silly crap before. israel is a terrorist state.

SOB

Firstly, Herod is only mentioned in the New Testament. The part the Jews use (what the Christians would call the Old Testament) does not mention him, as it was written before he existed. So he is not even in their so called fiction like you claim. First mistake.

Secondly, you're trying to mock someone by claiming that Herod is a work of fiction made by religious people. That Herod and the entire Herodian dynasty didn't exist. That's not just a mistake, that is ignorance to the extreme.

You know nothing of history or peoples beliefs yourself, yet you mock them and pass judgement on their intelligence. Stop being such a damn fool.

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Reply #34 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 12:37pm

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:11am:

Adamant wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:57pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:20pm:

refer to us correctly.

Whichever you wish -

State of Israel
Eretz YIsrael
אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎‎
Eres Yisraʼel

Whichever you wish to pick, then maybe i can answer your question.

Bucket of ScumRael, with a side serving of stolen land.

Did you know that in the days of Herod, Israel was larger than it is today. The Muslims STOLE that land from the Jews! The Jews then took their land back.

Should they be allowed to TAKE BACK ALL THAT WAS THEIRS AT THE TIME OF HEROD?

And if not, why not?

Herod? are you saying that because a fiction book says something it must be history? Seriously australia and america didnt even exist 2k years ago. aboriginals, indians, maoris . . . .should the lands they occupied be given back to them now?

Of course we have heard all this silly crap before. israel is a terrorist state.

SOB

Firstly, Herod is only mentioned in the New Testament. The part the Jews use (what the Christians would call the Old Testament) does not mention him, as it was written before he existed. So he is not even in their so called fiction like you claim. First mistake.

Secondly, you're trying to mock someone by claiming that Herod is a work of fiction made by religious people. That Herod and the entire Herodian dynasty didn't exist. That's not just a mistake, that is ignorance to the extreme.

You know nothing of history or peoples beliefs yourself, yet you mock them and pass judgement on their intelligence. Stop being such a damn fool.

No dick the herod thing was a minor part of the point.

SOB

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Re: Western terrorist strike again
Reply #35 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 12:51pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:11am:

Adamant wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:57pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:20pm:

refer to us correctly.

Whichever you wish -

State of Israel
Eretz YIsrael
אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎‎
Eres Yisraʼel

Whichever you wish to pick, then maybe i can answer your question.

Bucket of ScumRael, with a side serving of stolen land.

Did you know that in the days of Herod, Israel was larger than it is today. The Muslims STOLE that land from the Jews! The Jews then took their land back.

Should they be allowed to TAKE BACK ALL THAT WAS THEIRS AT THE TIME OF HEROD?

And if not, why not?

Herod? are you saying that because a fiction book says something it must be history? Seriously australia and america didnt even exist 2k years ago. aboriginals, indians, maoris . . . .should the lands they occupied be given back to them now?

Of course we have heard all this silly crap before. israel is a terrorist state.

SOB

Firstly, Herod is only mentioned in the New Testament. The part the Jews use (what the Christians would call the Old Testament) does not mention him, as it was written before he existed. So he is not even in their so called fiction like you claim. First mistake.

Secondly, you're trying to mock someone by claiming that Herod is a work of fiction made by religious people. That Herod and the entire Herodian dynasty didn't exist. That's not just a mistake, that is ignorance to the extreme.

You know nothing of history or peoples beliefs yourself, yet you mock them and pass judgement on their intelligence. Stop being such a damn fool.

No dick the herod thing was a minor part of the point.

SOB

It was still you trying to mock someone and showing that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you knew Herod was a real person you would not have used him as even a minor point.

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Reply #36 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

... wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

true. But you're not so naive as to think 'the inhabitants' possess the necessary force are you? Stone-throwing youths usually come off 2nd best when pitted against tanks and gunships...

They've always possessed the necessary force. The only reason it was taken was due to external support for Zionism. The billions of dollars in foreign aide, military hardware and diplomatic support given to them is what has brought about the current situation.

Likewise, now as the Muslim world begins to break off the shackles of colonialism, and return to Islamically-leaning governments, the Palestinian side will receive much more external support, and the force exerted back against the Zionist squatters will indeed result in their departure.

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Reply #37 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:33pm

Quantum wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Firstly, Herod is only mentioned in the New Testament. The part the Jews use (what the Christians would call the Old Testament) does not mention him, as it was written before he existed. So he is not even in their so called fiction like you claim. First mistake.

Secondly, you're trying to mock someone by claiming that Herod is a work of fiction made by religious people. That Herod and the entire Herodian dynasty didn't exist. That's not just a mistake, that is ignorance to the extreme.

You know nothing of history or peoples beliefs yourself, yet you mock them and pass judgement on their intelligence. Stop being such a damn fool.

Regardless, the Herodian kingdom was only about half the size of the current Zionist installation, and it was a Roman province, not an independent state of its own.

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Reply #38 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:34pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

... wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

true. But you're not so naive as to think 'the inhabitants' possess the necessary force are you? Stone-throwing youths usually come off 2nd best when pitted against tanks and gunships...

They've always possessed the necessary force. The only reason it was taken was due to external support for Zionism. The billions of dollars in foreign aide, military hardware and diplomatic support given to them is what has brought about the current situation.

Likewise, now as the Muslim world begins to break off the shackles of colonialism, and return to Islamically-leaning governments, the Palestinian side will receive much more external support, and the force exerted back against the Zionist squatters will indeed result in their departure.

And the fact that it was taken is as clear indication as you can get that they don't possess the necessary force. It don't matter where the power comes from, only that they have it.

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Reply #39 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:41pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

... wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

true. But you're not so naive as to think 'the inhabitants' possess the necessary force are you? Stone-throwing youths usually come off 2nd best when pitted against tanks and gunships...

They've always possessed the necessary force. The only reason it was taken was due to external support for Zionism. The billions of dollars in foreign aide, military hardware and diplomatic support given to them is what has brought about the current situation.

Likewise, now as the Muslim world begins to break off the shackles of colonialism, and return to Islamically-leaning governments, the Palestinian side will receive much more external support, and the force exerted back against the Zionist squatters will indeed result in their departure.

This is just fantasy land.

Do you really think this group of disorganized stone throwers will ever make us leave??

Never never never.

How many lessons from us do they want?

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Reply #40 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 2:59pm

... wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

And the fact that it was taken is as clear indication as you can get that they don't possess the necessary force. It don't matter where the power comes from, only that they have it.

No it doesn't matter where it came from initially... but it will matter in the near future, because the West's support will eventually dry up. They are too busy worrying about themselves now to worry about propping up someone else. And the Muslim countries are beginning to rise. Pretty soon the tables will be turned.

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Reply #41 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:08pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:11am:

Adamant wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:57pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 2:20pm:

refer to us correctly.

Whichever you wish -

State of Israel
Eretz YIsrael
אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎‎
Eres Yisraʼel

Whichever you wish to pick, then maybe i can answer your question.

Bucket of ScumRael, with a side serving of stolen land.

Did you know that in the days of Herod, Israel was larger than it is today. The Muslims STOLE that land from the Jews! The Jews then took their land back.

Should they be allowed to TAKE BACK ALL THAT WAS THEIRS AT THE TIME OF HEROD?

And if not, why not?

Herod? are you saying that because a fiction book says something it must be history? Seriously australia and america didnt even exist 2k years ago. aboriginals, indians, maoris . . . .should the lands they occupied be given back to them now?

Of course we have heard all this silly crap before. israel is a terrorist state.

SOB

Herod The Great was a REAL person, not just a character in the bible...unless you think that all the writings of the Roman Empire are fiction too...

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Western terrorist strike again Reply #42 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:16pm What happened last time all the Arabs came together and attacked my country? See below photo from the Golan, 1967.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Western terrorist strike again Reply #43 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:19pm Yeh... this time it's going to be Muslims coming together, not Arabs.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Western terrorist strike again Reply #44 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:21pm are you going to throw your stones at me again? It was always so fun when they have stones and i have a Tavor semi-automatic bullpup.
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