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Reply #30 - May 29^th, 2013 at 3:38pm

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Ahh this look slike an appropriate thread to ask the million dollar question that alwys seems to be sidestepped:

IF the well-off have an obligation to support the less well-off, what obligation do the less well-off have in return?

Why should they do anything in return? Nearly all pensioners have already done their bit and contributed to society. unemployed will contribute when they get jobs.

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Are you serious???? Ever heard of "give and take?"

Well how about 3 WFD programs 4 years volunteering in Disability industry, along with 2 years at a community centre, oh and 25 years as Leader in the Scout movement. and other youth organizations.

Is that enough Community mutal obligation to sadisfy the population. GIVE

I think I have done plenty of GIVE, so when do I get to have my Take.

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Reply #32 - May 29^th, 2013 at 3:52pm

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:

So we've had attempts from warrigal and Borg, and as expected, both failed dsiamally.

Anyone with a brain care to offer their 2 cents worth?

I think this is worth a lot more than your 2 cents worth, like about $250000 worth particularly the 25 years of service.

Well how about 3 WFD programs 4 years volunteering in Disability industry, along with 2 years at a community centre, oh and 25 years as Leader in the Scout movement. and other youth organizations.

Is that enough Community mutal obligation to sadisfy the population. GIVE

I think I have done plenty of GIVE, so when do I get to have my Take.

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Reply #33 - May 29^th, 2013 at 3:52pm

This whole article misses a very important point:

I know of 5 people who can't receive any dole or sickness payment from the government
even though they worked & payed enormous taxes all their life
& they are now unemployed or too sick to work.

Centerlink has 1001 reasons why not to pay people the dole & sickness benefits including:
receiving redundancy money from their former employer,
having money in the bank
having assets over a certain maximum
their wife is working

the list goes on & on.

Basically they won't pay you unless you're broke
regardless if you have paid millions of dollars in taxes over your working lifetime.
The Govt. takes but they don't want to give it back.
They are bastards.

Just put a line through your electoral form in marker pen - not pencil -
never vote for those who don't care about you.

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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: Mutual Obligation Reply #34 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:02pm [/quote] The Govt. takes but they don't want to give it back. They are bastards. Yes they take our mutual obligation GIVE, but they won't return the Thanks in employment or pensions for the aged, disabiled or sick
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Reply #35 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:04pm

IMO 'Work for a Dole Payment" is not unreasonable if it works but there's got to be some other incentive to motivate the long term unemployed to be useful members of society. Australia likes to impose compulsory voting, why not compulsory training for other jobs? After 12 months if progress is zero, again periodic evaluation and counselling, then all payments cease.

The unemployed who genuinely want work WILL retrain, or find something which will allow them to live reasonably well with the prospect of advancement. The others are just smacking useless and if that's the case the only answer is no work no money, work for their dole or NO DOLE.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 109088 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mutual Obligation Reply #36 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:07pm Yes Warrigal, how many people are registered as sick or unemployed yet not receiving a cent in payments? Do people in such a situation appear in the unemployment figures? - or is that all hidden from us?
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Reply #37 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:07pm

warrigal wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:

So we've had attempts from warrigal and Borg, and as expected, both failed dsiamally.

Anyone with a brain care to offer their 2 cents worth?

I think this is worth a lot more than your 2 cents worth, like about $250000 worth particularly the 25 years of service.

Well how about 3 WFD programs 4 years volunteering in Disability industry, along with 2 years at a community centre, oh and 25 years as Leader in the Scout movement. and other youth organizations.

Is that enough Community mutal obligation to sadisfy the population. GIVE

I think I have done plenty of GIVE, so when do I get to have my Take.

I was speaking in general, not your specific case.

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Reply #38 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:10pm

Socrates wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

IMO 'Work for a Dole Payment" is not unreasonable if it works but there's got to be some other incentive to motivate the long term unemployed to be useful members of society. Australia likes to impose compulsory voting, why not compulsory training for other jobs? After 12 months if progress is zero, again periodic evaluation and counselling, then all payments cease.

The unemployed who genuinely want work WILL retrain, or find something which will allow them to live reasonably well with the prospect of advancement. The others are just smacking useless and if that's the case the only answer is no work no money, work for their dole or NO DOLE.

So in your eyes a person that does all the Training provided, does all the mutual obligation activities, as well as just volunteering in the community is a USELESS person.

And the Government can decide to destroy their lives by not allowing them access to job serach to be able to climb out of the hole of unemployment and use their Skills and abilitys, because their just useless people.

Been retraining for years, still no help coming my way.

Oh and no respect for the retraining.

HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU EXPECT OUT OF MUTUAL OBLIGATION, i THINk $250000 OF VALUE IS ENOUGH TO EARN SOME RESPECT FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND MORE PARTICULARLY THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.

No fix the problem what these trained people arn't being considered for Employment, and it isn't a problem in the Unemployed person head.

Think about it.

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Reply #39 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:12pm

warrigal wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Very Funny Elder Herbet of the korri nation, why don't you take you advise to your botherhood and your own youth unemployed people.

I've told my Pitjantjatjara people to go further into the desert to keep well away from the Whiteman's lunatic lifestyle.

There are at least five Pharmacists in every suburban Main Street handing out tons of ingestible chemicals each year to keep the local Whites capable of continuing to run in their office or factory rotating rat-wheels.

I've told them to use their nulla nullas if a Centrelink staff member should track them down to where they're hiding.

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Reply #40 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:17pm

warrigal wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

Socrates wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

IMO 'Work for a Dole Payment" is not unreasonable if it works but there's got to be some other incentive to motivate the long term unemployed to be useful members of society. Australia likes to impose compulsory voting, why not compulsory training for other jobs? After 12 months if progress is zero, again periodic evaluation and counselling, then all payments cease.

The unemployed who genuinely want work WILL retrain, or find something which will allow them to live reasonably well with the prospect of advancement. The others are just smacking useless and if that's the case the only answer is no work no money, work for their dole or NO DOLE.

So in your eyes a person that does all the Training provided, does all the mutual obligation activities, just volunteering in the community is a USELESS person.

And the Government can decide to destroy their lives by not allowing them access to job serach to be able to climb out of the hole.

Been retraining for years, still no help coming my way.

Oh and no respect for the retraining.

My only answer where you are concerned, if you've "been retraining for years", is try training for something other than a smacking brain surgeon or fast jet pilot. You appear to blame everybody else for your inability to learn.

You are being trained on the taxpayer what the bugger, you want "respect" as well!!! Learn and get a job, that's when the respect will materialise.

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Reply #41 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:25pm

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

Yes Warrigal,
how many people are registered as sick or unemployed yet not receiving a cent in payments?

Do people in such a situation appear in the unemployment figures?
- or is that all hidden from us?

Well Bat I am sick (high Blood presure and stress) and I can receive payments, so why can't your friends with old age and years of hard work behind them, yes it could be how much money they have, but their shouldn't be any other reason, I know plenty on a DSP pension because they have a bad bak becuse of the work they did all there lives.

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Reply #42 - May 29^th, 2013 at 4:31pm

Socrates wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

warrigal wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

Socrates wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

IMO 'Work for a Dole Payment" is not unreasonable if it works but there's got to be some other incentive to motivate the long term unemployed to be useful members of society. Australia likes to impose compulsory voting, why not compulsory training for other jobs? After 12 months if progress is zero, again periodic evaluation and counselling, then all payments cease.

The unemployed who genuinely want work WILL retrain, or find something which will allow them to live reasonably well with the prospect of advancement. The others are just smacking useless and if that's the case the only answer is no work no money, work for their dole or NO DOLE.

So in your eyes a person that does all the Training provided, does all the mutual obligation activities, just volunteering in the community is a USELESS person.

And the Government can decide to destroy their lives by not allowing them access to job serach to be able to climb out of the hole.

Been retraining for years, still no help coming my way.

Oh and no respect for the retraining.

My only answer where you are concerned, if you've "been retraining for years", is try training for something other than a smacking brain surgeon or fast jet pilot. You appear to blame everybody else for your inability to learn.

You are being trained on the taxpayer what the bugger, you want "respect" as well!!! Learn and get a job, that's when the respect will materialise.

Oh I have learnt, trained, skilled whatever else does the public want , as I said its not my attitude that need adusting its the people in the communitys attitude, Employers, people in Job search agencys. They can't just continue to tell the trained job seekers sorry I think your USELESS.

Because we are far from that.

25 years of doing something in the comunity, plus government mutual obligation, doen't make a job seeker USELESS.

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Reply #43 - May 29^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

warrigal wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

Yes Warrigal,
how many people are registered as sick or unemployed yet not receiving a cent in payments?

Do people in such a situation appear in the unemployment figures?
- or is that all hidden from us?

Well Bat I am sick (high Blood presure and stress) and I can receive payments, so why can't your friends with old age and years of hard work behind them, yes it could be how much money they have, but their shouldn't be any other reason, I know plenty on a DSP pension because they have a bad bak becuse of the work they did all there lives.

That's a miracle - no one I know can get a cent out of them.

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