warrigal wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:55pm:



Mutual Obligation died on Budget Night with the increase refusal.

IMO, the govt has broken it's side of the deal, so all bets should be off.

As for respect, those who abuse the unemployed have no concept of the meaning of the word.

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:


Liar. You are just too lazy to read the entire post.

SOB

Kat wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:



A new WFD scheame will happen and come into force after We change Government, It will be seen as the only option.
But it will probably be one like someone here suggests, 12 months unemployed, automatically permenent WFD and a welfare wage.

So why don't all you Elitists out there create your slave labor camps for the unemployed,
all you will archive is working people into the ground and they die.

But hay they are only the unemployed, nothing too worry about.

Calm down BOAG, Kat and I will deal with all the IGNORANT protractors that come on here with their Unemployed people, lasy bastards chants.

They can ask they questions and I will provide them with the answers.

Unemployment is about ATTITUDE and it is not just the Unemployed persons ATTITUDE.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 4:40am:


Sorry BOAG, I have to correct you again, 1 Million Job seekers, Plus thows of less than full time employment, Disability and Aged pensioners, plus thows that come to this country as Imigrants on visas .etc.

Simple dam question kat, not "trolling"- IF the well-off have an obligation to help those less well-off (as is the frequently claimed here) what obligation do the less well off have in return? 

They'll contribute when they get jobs doesn't cut it - what if they never get one?  What if the one they do get pays too poo to contribute?  Would you loan $10,000 to someone who's only guarantee was "I'll pay ya back when I can?"

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 8:42am:


You don't know that, you just say it because it doesn't require any thought.  Have 19 year old punks contributed?  Hence, I extended my question to those with a track record of using their brain.

... wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 8:29am:



It's a general warning before things get out-of-hand, nothing more.

I had no-one specifically in mind, but I want to avoid the abuse and BS that goes on upstairs.

As to your question, I did post early in the thread that I have no issue with the unemployed being obliged to 'give back'
in some way.

But, as I also stated, WfD isn't the answer unless there is a training component involved. Actually, owing to the fact that
many unemployed will need to re-skill in order to find work, there should be some sort of training involved in any 'mutual
obligation' program or activity. And not necessarily for low-end, menial or entry-level jobs. These people are not stupid or
uneducated, and they shouldn't be treated as such. If someone loses a job as a teacher or accountant, for example, then
it's not going to benefit him by training him to use a shovel, or forcing him to attend adult-literacy courses.

Putting people to work doing manual labour with hand-tools (no machinery), just as they did 100 years ago, really does
help no-one. They come off the program with no more skills than they held going in, and with no better prospects of getting
work. All they end up with is an, in some ways justified, dislike and mistrust of the system.

Volunteer work is another way they could 'give back', I know a few who do just that. Charities and non-profit organisations
are always crying out for volunteers, so send the unemployed, and slip them a decent supplement for doing so. $20/fn extra
is laughable, it doesn't even cover their fares and lunch.

Generally speaking, I do not feel that the Govt has been upholding its end of mutual obligation.

Anyway, I hope that goes some way to answering your question, maybe you or others can come up with some other ideas?


Kat.