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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #75 - Oct 1^st, 2012 at 10:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2012 at 5:33pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

No it isn't. It goes to the heart of the matter. Most muslims act tolerant when they are in the minority. It is only when they are in the majority that they become totally inflexible assholes.

what? Muslims in Indonesia are in the majority. What do you mean by " in the minority"?

What judgment do you want me to pass exactly? I don't understand - I was debating a specific point about whether or not verse 5:32 was or wasn't referring to muslims when referring to the "children of Isreal" - I say it was. You want me to pass judgment on that? - well my judgment is that 5:32 was referring to muslims.

The Indonesian atheist Alexander Aan is in jail for writing god does not exist on his facebook page, do you call that tolerance from a muslim majority in a democracy gandalf?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Aan

The Ahmadis are persecuted in Indonesia, do you think they have heretical beliefs gandalf?
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/commentary/indonesia-a-failed-state-fate-of-the-a...

At least there is some good news, Aceh a part of Indonesia brought back stoning to death in 2009, thats progress for you when you have democracy isnt it?
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/aceh-stoning-law-acceptable-and-fair-say-leg...

As for 5/32 we will have to agree to disagree and let those reading this decide for themselves who the children of Israel are

http://quran.com/5/32- We have decreed upon the children of Israel......

And we made the torah a guide for the children of Israel
http://quran.com/32/23

Oh children of Israel, remember my favour i bestowed upon you and that i preferred you over the worlds
(past tense as Abu has pointed out, the jews were gods chosen poeple now it is the muslims turn)
http://quran.com/2/47
http://quran.com/2/122

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #76 - Oct 1^st, 2012 at 10:18pm

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So bring some statistics you believe, enough 'counter chatter', lets see facts and figures to back up your claims.

Abu this is not necessary in order to point out the absurdity of the European and US 'statistics' that attempt to make Islamic terrorism seem minor by equating 9/11 and the London bombings with graffiti attacks. It is common sense that Islamic terrorism is a genuine threat that far outweighs any bunch of hippy ecowarriors.

But if you insist, here is the list of recent major terrorist attacks in the US and Europe:

9/11
London bombings
Madrid train bombings

I think you'll find that 100% of them were committed in the name of Islam.

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #77 - Oct 1^st, 2012 at 10:22pm

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

Abu, before you get all wound up over grammar, did you notice that gandalf disagreed with you on what the Islamic punishment for blasphemy is? Which one of you is correct, and why the disagreement?

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

So why the disagreement? And which one represents the majority view of Muslims?

Gandalf seemed to imply that there were different punishments for apostasy, insulting Muhammed, and insulting Allah. Do you think they should all be punished with death by stoning?

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2012 at 9:56pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 30^th, 2012 at 9:52pm:

It's well known that 90% of the traffic on this forum are all 1 or 2 sad and lonely individuals who enjoy playing "dress ups".

Can you please elaborate Abu?

Gandalf can you please clarify what you think the correct Islamic punishments are for apostasy, insulting Muhammed, and insulting Allah?

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #78 - Oct 1^st, 2012 at 11:31pm

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2012 at 10:18pm:

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So bring some statistics you believe, enough 'counter chatter', lets see facts and figures to back up your claims.

Abu this is not necessary in order to point out the absurdity of the European and US 'statistics' that attempt to make Islamic terrorism seem minor by equating 9/11 and the London bombings with graffiti attacks. It is common sense that Islamic terrorism is a genuine threat that far outweighs any bunch of hippy ecowarriors.

But if you insist, here is the list of recent major terrorist attacks in the US and Europe:

9/11
London bombings
Madrid train bombings

I think you'll find that 100% of them were committed in the name of Islam.

You are so pathetic fd. You made claims about Muslim Hindu violence in India, and now you attempt to sweep it under the rug and jump to this???

You really have not an ounce of shame do you?

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #79 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 12:51pm

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You made claims about Muslim Hindu violence in India

Quote me.

Is this yet another example of you demanding I prove the existence of a question?

Doesn't it make more sense for gandalf to explain the meaning of the statistics he presented before you demand other people produce competing statistics? If you don't even understand the statistics you have presented it is a bit rich to demand other people outdo you with more.

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Reply #80 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 5:59pm

It seems that because we didn't stop Sob's
muppets from joining and consequently turning the forum into a kindergarden quickly enough that the disease is now spreading and everybody who feels under attack now has brothers and sisters joining the forum to help vindicate themselves.This should have been nipped in the bud a few days ago.

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Reply #81 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 6:02pm

brumbie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 5:59pm:

It seems that because we didn't stop Sob's
muppets from joining and consequently turning the forum into a kindergarden quickly enough that the disease is now spreading and everybody who feels under attack now has brothers and sisters joining the forum to help vindicate themselves.This should have been nipped in the bud a few days ago.

I don't have any brothers and sisters. Sad

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #82 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 6:37pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 6:02pm:

brumbie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 5:59pm:

It seems that because we didn't stop Sob's
muppets from joining and consequently turning the forum into a kindergarden quickly enough that the disease is now spreading and everybody who feels under attack now has brothers and sisters joining the forum to help vindicate themselves.This should have been nipped in the bud a few days ago.

I don't have any brothers and sisters. Sad

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #83 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:34pm

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:

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I am going to take a guess and assume your question applies to what i think the punishment in Australian law should be

See what I mean about trying to get a straight answer out of him?

I think 'abu' answers are acute. I would like to hear his thoughts on the hadith/sunna dilemma (I see it as a dilemma) as my understanding of "hadith/sunna" despite reading, is inadequate.

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #84 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:50pm

sanofi wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:

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I am going to take a guess and assume your question applies to what i think the punishment in Australian law should be

See what I mean about trying to get a straight answer out of him?

I think 'abu' answers are acute.

I would like to hear his thoughts on the hadith/sunna dilemma (I see it as a dilemma) as

my understanding of "hadith/sunna" despite reading, is inadequate.

A lot of us feel like that, after reading the hadith [and the Koran] too ! Cheesy

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #86 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:50pm:

sanofi wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:

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I am going to take a guess and assume your question applies to what i think the punishment in Australian law should be

See what I mean about trying to get a straight answer out of him?

I think 'abu' answers are acute.

I would like to hear his thoughts on the hadith/sunna dilemma (I see it as a dilemma) as

my understanding of "hadith/sunna" despite reading, is inadequate.

A lot of us feel like that, after reading the hadith [and the Koran] too ! Cheesy

Why do you make faces about the sunna? At least it is true not like your bible.

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #87 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 10:17pm

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 12:51pm:

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You made claims about Muslim Hindu violence in India

Quote me.

I already have.

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Do you count the slaughter of hundreds of Hindu by Muslims as equal to a bit of anti-Islamic graffiti by Hindus, the same way your European and American statistics did? How come not one of your statistics gives a body count? Is it because you don't want to admit that it is Muslims that go round killing people for no good reason?

According to your "analysis" of Muslim/Hindu violence, Hindus get slaughtered, and Muslims just get a bit of graffiti written about them. Apparently Muslims just go around killing people for no reason?

Now I've shown you statistics from a few of the biggest Hindu/Muslim altercations in recent times, which clearly show that Muslims were the ones mostly being killed, would you like to alter your original claims and apologise for your disrespect of those Muslims who were victims of this violence? Or are you gonna remain a jackass all your life?

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #88 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 10:19pm

Cobra wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:50pm:

sanofi wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:

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I am going to take a guess and assume your question applies to what i think the punishment in Australian law should be

See what I mean about trying to get a straight answer out of him?

I think 'abu' answers are acute.

I would like to hear his thoughts on the hadith/sunna dilemma (I see it as a dilemma) as

my understanding of "hadith/sunna" despite reading, is inadequate.

A lot of us feel like that, after reading the hadith [and the Koran] too ! Cheesy

Why do you make faces about the sunna?

At least it is true not like your bible.

gomtuu,

As i have said here, on OzPol, many times;
I am happy for others to believe whatever they want to believe.

But what i object to, is the violent conduct of moslems, based upon that belief.

Me ?

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Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

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There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.

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Re: Penalty for insulting the Prophet (pbuh)
Reply #89 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 10:50pm

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According to your "analysis" of Muslim/Hindu violence

You mean the question? So I was right? This is merely yet another example of you demanding proof of the existence of a question?

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Apparently Muslims just go around killing people for no reason?

Well know, as gandalf already pointed out, and I conceded too, they can always give you an excuse.

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Now I've shown you statistics from a few of the biggest Hindu/Muslim altercations in recent times

An example is not a statistic Abu.

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which clearly show that Muslims were the ones mostly being killed

No they don't. All it proves is your willingness to ignore half the evidence. This is the most pointless game of all Abu. You are not even pretending to be unbiased, and you ask me to attempt to counter it with more bias. I do not need to provide alternatives to show that the evidence and statistics that you and gandalf have presented are full of holes. I merely have to point out that they are full of holes.

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would you like to alter your original claims and apologise for your disrespect of those Muslims who were victims of this violence?

Playing the victim card again eh Abu?

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