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Re: Media motives
Reply #15 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 1:05am

woof woof wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

What you need to understand Abu is,

we don't want your type of religion in this country, its that dam simple and if you don't get that then your simple too.

Your type should pack its bags and just bugger off back to your stone age goat herding woman stoning child marrying shithole country.

Like you have a choice in it, tool.

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Reply #16 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 4:38am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 10:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 5:15am:

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What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill?

Thats going a bit far dont you think since that kid prolly couldn't even read yet?

The thing is that it was only a few radicals that engaged in violence. Like every time there is any kind of trouble.

Basically we are importing yank radicalness imo. Suddenly australia has all the crap the yanks have and we will have the westboro idiots as well before long.

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'Yank radicalness'? What is that?

What do you think it is hmmm? We dont need their over-the-top BS here. Their extreme positions on everything and westboro type churches. Already our pollies and media are trying to americanise us.

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Islamic radicalness isn't an American import. Islam is rooted in a pre-modern, non-Westernised culture that is already radical by modern standards.

I didnt say it was. However now that I think about it - it is the yanks fault. They are occupying these ppls countries and interfering with them and causing refugees. We arent blameless either.

Thing is we dont have many radical muslims here. *even if* freediver were right and the entire 400 ppl were radical - thats only 400 ppl. In reality the number is less than that.

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Re: Media motives
Reply #17 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 4:41am

woof woof wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

What you need to understand Abu is,

we don't want your type of religion in this country, its that dam simple and if you don't get that then your simple too.

Your type should pack its bags and just bugger off back to your stone age goat herding woman stoning child marrying shithole country.

We'd rather live with unruley youth as appossed to your doctorine of supression and persecution.

If the gov had any balls at all it would shut the gate to any muslim wanting to come here.

They say history repeats itself, will the world see another event with the Muslims taking the place of the jews?????

Possibly??????????????????????

We dont want YOUR type of religion here either. Knocking on ppls doors and annoying them. Believing in fairies well into adulthood. Dont you feel embarrassed? Normal muslims are more peaceful than you xtian nuts. I wouldn't say the radicals are more radical either - just there are more of them @ this point because of all the yank busywork in the middle east.

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Reply #18 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 8:55am

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 11:47pm:

They are getting good at blowing up each other's mosques.

This is true. Muslims sects are far more divided against themselves than they are united against non-Muslims. Not unlike the 300+ years from the birth of the Protestant Reformation to the 19th century within Christianity, or the Great Schism between western and eastern Christianity.

Interesting when determining the cause of the 1953 Muslim sectarian riots in the (then) newly formed nation of Pakistan, the judges asked each Islamic sect "What constitutes a Muslim"? Not surprisingly, all of them gave different answers. The judges concluded that if they accepted all the answers from each Islamic sect, then nobody in Pakistan could be defined as a Muslim.

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Reply #19 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:01am

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Thing is we dont have many radical muslims here. *even if* freediver were right and the entire 400 ppl were radical - thats only 400 ppl.

You think every radical turned up? Abu didn't. Not every radical marches down the street telling everyone what a radical they are. The majority know when to keep their mouth shut.

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We dont want YOUR type of religion here either. Knocking on ppls doors and annoying them.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Media motives Reply #20 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:24am If the muslim world took over tomorrow I know who australia's muslim community would side with. Not ours that's for sure. You don't see any of them in the Army or Police Force. Most are peaceful but they'll never side with the kafur over a sis or bro.
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Reply #21 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:27am

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

If the muslim world took over tomorrow I know who australia's muslim community would side with. Not ours that's for sure. You don't see any of them in the Army or Police Force. Most are peaceful but they'll never side with the kafur over a sis or bro.

A good example of a ghost in the English language... "The Muslim world". There is no THE Muslim world. They would be more divided under any Islamic government than they are "united" as Muslims under a secular government.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Media motives Reply #22 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:32am Or if Indonesia took over then.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Media motives Reply #23 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:37am Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:32am: Or if Indonesia took over then. Why?
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Reply #24 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:44am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:27am:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

If the muslim world took over tomorrow I know who australia's muslim community would side with. Not ours that's for sure. You don't see any of them in the Army or Police Force. Most are peaceful but they'll never side with the kafur over a sis or bro.

A good example of a ghost in the English language... "The Muslim world". There is no THE Muslim world. They would be more divided under any Islamic government than they are "united" as Muslims under a secular government.

Something makes me think they would happily set aside their differences, at least temporarily, if Islam were to rise to power again. It is much easier to assert your own brand of Islam on the world if a slightly different version of Islam is already running the show. Who knows, maybe they would even adopt whatever version came to power. After all, Islam is about worshipping power. Islam is supposed to be a single powerful state force, and was that way for much of its history. They happily line up behind behind plenty of power mongers who are not exactly good muslims, but throw out whatever Islamic platitudes they want to hear. There is nothing forcing Muslims to slaughter each other first. They only do that now because they are incapable of slaughtering anyone else.

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Reply #25 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:01am

freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Something makes me think they would happily set aside their differences, at least temporarily, if Islam were to rise to power again. It is much easier to assert your own brand of Islam on the world if a slightly different version of Islam is already running the show. Who knows, maybe they would even adopt whatever version came to power. After all, Islam is about worshipping power. Islam is supposed to be a single powerful state force, and was that way for much of its history. They happily line up behind behind plenty of power mongers who are not exactly good muslims, but throw out whatever Islamic platitudes they want to hear. There is nothing forcing Muslims to slaughter each other first. They only do that now because they are incapable of slaughtering anyone else.

They happily line up behind behind plenty of power mongers who are not exactly good muslims

"They" have infused "their" particular brand of Islam with "their" cultural sensibilities. There will always be power mongers from within each sect who will fight for supremacy over all others. What constitutes a Muslim?

No single dogma will ever rule all societies... Moreover, there is not a single doctrine that has remained singular.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Media motives Reply #26 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:12am We use words like "they" and "their" Northofnorth because that's the way it is. They call you and me a kafur. Even Abu (the moderator of this site) uses the word. That's just reality.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Media motives Reply #27 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:16am The idea that there could be a single Islamic empire (i.e. the dream of reconstituting the Caliphate), is about as realistic as the possibility of the rise again of the British Empire, or the Hapsburg's Empire, or the Ottoman Empire.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Media motives Reply #28 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:18am Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:12am: We use words like "they" and "their" Northofnorth because that's the way it is. They call you and me a kafur. Even Abu (the moderator of this site) uses the word. That's just reality. Each sect of Islam often calls other members of competing sects of Islam, kafir.
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Re: Media motives
Reply #29 - Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:22am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

We use words like "they" and "their" Northofnorth because that's the way it is. They call you and me a kafur. Even Abu (the moderator of this site) uses the word. That's just reality.

Each sect of Islam often calls other members of competing sects of Islam, kafir.

Why did our so called leaders import this then? This will be a big problem for australia in the future. There have already been numerous terrorism plans foiled. I believe it's a really serious issue .

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