Australian Politics Forum - the Sydney protests

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	the Sydney protests Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:28pm Have you seen the footage of the protests Abu? What do you think?
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Upton Sinclair Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 496	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #1 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:30pm You don't think you two could have sorted this out via a PM? I expect cods will soon start a thread about the multiple threads all dealing with this one topic?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #2 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:37pm Actually I am surprised that Abu has not yet started a thread complaining about the mistreatment of the protestors. Or at least explaining how they have been misrepresented. Pansi and spot were onto it way ahead of him.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #3 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:45pm I have, and I've also seen reports by journalists present who said the Muslims were peaceful until the police began attacking them, only then did they respond and throw stuff. Did you see them? Did you see them banging a Muslim's head on the concrete? Or did you just see the parts that tell your tales for you?
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Reply #4 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:53pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:45pm:

I have, and I've also seen reports by journalists present who said the Muslims were peaceful until the police began attacking them, only then did they respond and throw stuff.

Did you see them? Did you see them banging a Muslim's head on the concrete? Or did you just see the parts that tell your tales for you?

would you object to them banging someone's head on the concrete if they weren't muslim?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Upton Sinclair Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 496	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #5 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:56pm In my experience it is usually the police initiating violence at rallies. And being somewhat familiar with the dark arts of television editing I don't automatically accept the sensationalist images on the nightly news as being anything close to the whole truth.
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Reply #6 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:59pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

In my experience it is usually the police initiating violence at rallies. And being somewhat familiar with the dark arts of television editing I don't automatically accept the sensationalist images on the nightly news as being anything close to the whole truth.

One could argue that waving a placard around calling for beheadings is in itself initiating violence ... i wanted to beat that kid up too ...

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Reply #7 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 9:06pm

Meh... Call me old fashioned but as long as no specific threats are being made, i.e. specifying whose head you want to cut off, then I don't have a problem with people expressing themselves freely. As for the violent behaviour, I was neither there nor paid much attention to the news footage so don't have much of an opinion. I respect police and don't think an officer should ever be hurt for doing their job BUT in my experience police often go beyond 'doing their job' and sometimes they get hurt, that's not something I am going to get outraged over.

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Reply #8 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 9:54pm

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I have, and I've also seen reports by journalists present who said the Muslims were peaceful until the police began attacking them, only then did they respond and throw stuff.

Can you link to them? Are they actual journalists?

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Did you see them? Did you see them banging a Muslim's head on the concrete? Or did you just see the parts that tell your tales for you?

I haven't seen much footage at all. The placards were enough for me. I think people kind of miss the point when they focus on the violence. There is something far more dramatic going on than a cop getting his head cracked open.

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Reply #9 - Sep 17^th, 2012 at 11:02pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

In my experience it is usually the police initiating violence at rallies. And being somewhat familiar with the dark arts of television editing I don't automatically accept the sensationalist images on the nightly news as being anything close to the whole truth.

that is a pretty far fetched. what is your experience in police usually inciting peaceful people to violence? you mean these people turn apeshite when they see the police? is that inciting them?

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Reply #10 - Sep 18^th, 2012 at 12:28pm

Bertram wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

that is a pretty far fetched. what is your experience in police usually inciting peaceful people to violence? you mean these people turn apeshite when they see the police? is that inciting them?

No, people "turn apeshit" when the police baton charge people or spray them with chemical weapons. Horses are a good one, too, nothing to get a crowd worked up and acting violently like riding over them with police horses. Guaranteed a reaction every time.

But, like I said, I wasn't there and, even if I were inclined to trust news footage, I've actually seen very little of it. My only point is that in MY experience, police often initiate violence that gets blamed on protesters.

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Bertram Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 255	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #11 - Sep 18^th, 2012 at 12:38pm so the riot squads around the world are set up to cause riots? that's what 'riot squad' means? there would be no riots if police kept well away?
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Reply #12 - Sep 18^th, 2012 at 1:18pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

My only point is that in MY experience, police often initiate violence that gets blamed on protesters.

Depends what you consider to be the intiating act.

Is it the one who throws the first physical hit, or the one who baits and goads the other at every turn, daring them to take action?

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In the fullness of time...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #13 - Sep 18^th, 2012 at 6:38pm Or is it the one who posted the B grade movie clip on the internet from the other side of the world? I normally blame the people who are actually committing the violence, not the people they are beating up.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #14 - Sep 18^th, 2012 at 7:30pm Adam you will probably discover soon that Abu can also ban people from the board. Stop spamming please.
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