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Sep 24^th, 2012 at 1:53pm

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A Scarborough church risked a $1 million fine last night by serving its weekly free Sunday meal, after the City of Stirling deemed many of the church's activities were in breach of local planning regulations.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/14937648/church-faces-1m-fine-for-...

The 'caring' face of atheists exposed. For shame.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Christian church vs secular government Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:02pm What has it got to do with atheists? They break the law and claim they are victims? They could just follow the guidelines - problem solved. SOB
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Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:25pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:

What has it got to do with atheists? They break the law and claim they are victims? They could just follow the guidelines - problem solved.

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They broke the law - by serving free dinner to the needy and running other community based projects.

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Under the planning scheme, Scarborough Baptist Church is allowed to use its land on the corner of Westview Street and Brighton Road as a place of worship and child daycare centre.

In a letter sent on September 18, the council identified activities such as serving dinner at weekly Sunday evening services, craft classes, band practice and preschool dance classes as unapproved use of the land.

Hangings too good for 'em.

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Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:34pm

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They broke the law - by serving free dinner to the needy and running other community based projects.

Along with "late-night noise and antisocial behaviour such as urination in public."

Without the noise and urination, the council would probably have turned a blind eye.

Seems like the actions of a few are ruining it for everybody.

However, there is some hope:

"Health and compliance manager Peter Morrison said the council has told the church that it would consider changes to allow many of the activities if the church lodged the necessary applications and showed how it would address neighbourhood concerns."

Sounds reasonable.

But sadly:

"The church has refused to make any such application ... "

Oh dear.

Sounds like a job for Howard Sattler and Rick Ardon.

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Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Along with "late-night noise and antisocial behaviour such as urination in public."

Yeah. You get that sort of thing around shelters, soup kitchens etc. It's becasue the clientele is often...troubled.

So would you have them starve because they make a bit of noise, or piss in the bushes?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Christian church vs secular government Reply #5 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:48pm So you still havent explained what atheists have to do with it? SOB
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Reply #6 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

... wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

Yeah. You get that sort of thing around shelters, soup kitchens etc. It's becasue the clientele is often...troubled.

You'd think the council would be aware of that.

... wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

So would you have them starve because they make a bit of noise, or piss in the bushes?

Piss in the bushes.

However, you can't fight city hall.

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Reply #7 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 9:17pm

If they want to feed the drongos without grandstanding, why don't they feed them somewhere that doesn't upset the residents? I'm sure that they could find a suitable place if they cared so much.

The council is probably doing what any other council would do. The Baptist Church is doing what any other Baptist Church would do - having a hissy fit and claiming religious persecution where in fact the issue is disturbance of the peace.

The entire planning department of the City of Stirling are atheists because they treat the Baptist Church the same as anybody else? I don't think so. It's a very long bow, but on the other hand, it's a great opportunity for publicity.

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The council said it was obliged to investigate after receiving complaints from residents over late-night noise and antisocial behaviour such as urination in public.

The council was responding to complaints from residents.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136445 Gender:	Re: Christian church vs secular government Reply #8 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 9:35pm muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 9:17pm: The council was responding to complaints from residents. Which is exactly what one would expect any good council to do.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Christian church vs secular government Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 5:53am Ahh so the council are apparently atheists? Hahahahahaha! I bet most of them are not actually. Not that it matters or has anything whatsoever to do with it. SOB
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Reply #10 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 9:50am

Most academics are stringent atheists, or strongly anti-Christian, but sprout an 'egalitarian' agenda. Yet who do you see feeding the homeless at night, who runs the soup kitchens? Christians, not academics.

Perhaps academics, who receive an annual paypacket anywhere between $80,000 to $250,000, could donate a lot of that to charity, or even set up some homeless shelters or soup kitchens themselves. I doubt it.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Christian church vs secular government Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 10:19am The charity isnt a victim here. They are refusing to comply with the laws. Isnt that what you ppl say the muslims should do? Comply by our laws in spite of their religion? Everyone should do that - not just muslims. SOB
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Christian church vs secular government Reply #13 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 10:27am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 25^th, 2012 at 10:19am: The charity isnt a victim here. You're right - the people who they would be helping are.
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Reply #14 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 12:23pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 25^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Most academics are stringent atheists, or strongly anti-Christian, but sprout an 'egalitarian' agenda. Yet who do you see feeding the homeless at night, who runs the soup kitchens? Christians, not academics.

Perhaps academics, who receive an annual paypacket anywhere between $80,000 to $250,000, could donate a lot of that to charity, or even set up some homeless shelters or soup kitchens themselves. I doubt it.

Gee i wonder why that is? Perhaps they are too intelligent to believe in fairies?

TRich ppl do start soup kitchens etc

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