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Re: re 'Our prophet, our honour'
Reply #60 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:43pm

Cobra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Interesting Abu, that you deleted Sorens post, but you did not delete gomtuu's post.

Yadda, my post is news and information which gives the true other side. You make claims against Muslims on lies. When you get the truth you don't listen. You should listen to the truth. I give you facts, you give nothing but emotion.

You incite and inflame like Hitler did.

please be ratinal and not tey to make trouble. Thank you for listening to me.

gomtuu,

Quote me.

And we will debate, whether people like myself have been provoked, by the utterances, and the conduct of moslems, AND, we can examine whether what i have said about those utterances of moslems, and that conduct of moslems, was untrue.

gomtuu,

Do you believe in the right of a person to respond, to provocation, by another ?

i.e.
My right to respond, to provocation.

OR, do you believe that only moslems should have the right to respond, to provocation ['offence'] ???

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
'Demonstrating' just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslem really are.

In Australia, i currently have the right to scrutinise ISLAM, and i currently have the right to criticise Mohammed's life.

I know that moslems who want to prevent me from engaging in such criticism [of ISLAM or of Mohammed], would do so, by getting me within their absolute power, and they would then ['lawfully'] kill me, for that 'offence' against his religion.

One person cannot lawfully do that, to another person, under current Australian laws.

But if a moslem threatens to kill me, because i do not believe what he believes [about ISLAM/Mohammed], can you see that it is the moslem that is creating a state of war between us ???
n.b. It is the moslem, who wishes to kill me.

Quote:

"......he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him;"

John Locke 1632-170

John Locke 1632-1704
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Re: re 'Our prophet, our honour'
Reply #61 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:57pm

magpie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Maybe those 400 ppl, instead of participating in what turned into a violent street protest, should have made their own film about Mohammed ?

Then we could have all had, and went to, a film critics convention.

And we could have all judged whether moslems can make relevant and informative films ?

the come-back.....

'Moslems are NOT allowed to make films about Mohammed.'

Well then, if moslems do not want to participate in the LAWFUL pluralistic culture of Australia [by creating art, art which others may want to LAWFULLY, and PEACEFULLY criticise], then moslems should maybe leave pluralistic Australia?

And maybe moslems should make their lives, in a in a place were such freedoms are not tolerated?

e.g.
Maybe moslems should choose to make their lives, within a moslem majority society?

But Australia is not one of those places. [.....in fact many moslems [here, in Australia] tell us that they have left those moslem majority societies, because those moslem majority societies are not safe to live in. BUT then, those same moslems want to impose that failed ISLAMIC system, and impose those violent and intolerant ISLAMIC cultural mores, upon Australian society.]

Moslems who wish to live here, in Australia, should accept OUR [lawful] pluralistic Australian society - or they should choose leave, if they do not want to tolerate our cultural mores.

jesus cristo, the troll is now data mining my posts!

your use of the concept 'pluralism' in this context is banal, Yadda.

Dictionary;
pluralism = =
1 a condition or system in which two or more states, groups, principles, etc., coexist. a political theory or system of power-sharing among a number of political parties.
2 a theory or system that recognizes more than one ultimate principle.

Why don't you explain your concept of pluralism [and tolerance] to us magpie.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: re 'Our prophet, our honour'
Reply #62 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 4:06pm

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:50am:

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:24am:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 7:24am:

spot,

The mother is a recent arrival from Jordan, and said she didn't understand what it said. When it became a media issue, she went immediately to a police station and explained.

Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse.

We have enough people here with violent radical views already.

Deport her and that's the end of it.

What law?

SOB

She allowed here children to threaten to KILL its against the law to do that.

I personally felt threatened by the disgusting signs and feared for my life. I have been in mental anguish ever since I saw their appalling tirade.

Is anybody interested in bringing a class action against this family so that they may be deported?

PM me if you are willing to do so.

I have a copy of this Abu.

while you're sending all your messages, add this:

Under statute in most Australian jurisdictions, children under the age of 10 are held to be criminally incapable.

gawd, I wish you trolls would lift your game..

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Re: re 'Our prophet, our honour'
Reply #63 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 4:15pm

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:50am:

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:24am:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 7:24am:

spot,

The mother is a recent arrival from Jordan, and said she didn't understand what it said. When it became a media issue, she went immediately to a police station and explained.

Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse.

We have enough people here with violent radical views already.

Deport her and that's the end of it.

What law?

SOB

She allowed here children to threaten to KILL its against the law to do that.

I personally felt threatened by the disgusting signs and feared for my life. I have been in mental anguish ever since I saw their appalling tirade.

Is anybody interested in bringing a class action against this family so that they may be deported?

PM me if you are willing to do so.

I have a copy of this Abu.

Really? What law? Is she in jail now? She did turn herself in . . . . .

Is that guy that said gillard should be drowned in a chaff bag in jail too?

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Re: re 'Our prophet, our honour'
Reply #64 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 4:42pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:57pm:

magpie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Maybe those 400 ppl, instead of participating in what turned into a violent street protest, should have made their own film about Mohammed ?

Then we could have all had, and went to, a film critics convention.

And we could have all judged whether moslems can make relevant and informative films ?

the come-back.....

'Moslems are NOT allowed to make films about Mohammed.'

Well then, if moslems do not want to participate in the LAWFUL pluralistic culture of Australia [by creating art, art which others may want to LAWFULLY, and PEACEFULLY criticise], then moslems should maybe leave pluralistic Australia?

And maybe moslems should make their lives, in a in a place were such freedoms are not tolerated?

e.g.
Maybe moslems should choose to make their lives, within a moslem majority society?

But Australia is not one of those places. [.....in fact many moslems [here, in Australia] tell us that they have left those moslem majority societies, because those moslem majority societies are not safe to live in. BUT then, those same moslems want to impose that failed ISLAMIC system, and impose those violent and intolerant ISLAMIC cultural mores, upon Australian society.]

Moslems who wish to live here, in Australia, should accept OUR [lawful] pluralistic Australian society - or they should choose leave, if they do not want to tolerate our cultural mores.

jesus cristo, the troll is now data mining my posts!

your use of the concept 'pluralism' in this context is banal, Yadda.

Dictionary;
pluralism = =
1 a condition or system in which two or more states, groups, principles, etc., coexist. a political theory or system of power-sharing among a number of political parties.
2 a theory or system that recognizes more than one ultimate principle.

Why don't you explain your concept of pluralism [and tolerance] to us magpie.

*picks up cards, smiles. 'what a dick'..* I'll match your pluralism with context:

context refers to surrounding text or talk of an expression (word, sentence, conversational turn, speech act, etc.). The idea is that verbal context influences the way we understand the expression. Hence the norm not to cite issues out of context. Since much contemporary linguistics takes texts, discourses or conversations as its object of analysis, the modern study of verbal context takes place in terms of the analysis of discourse structures and their mutual relationships, for instance the coherence relation between sentences.

my rubber.

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Re: re 'Our prophet, our honour'
Reply #65 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 5:24pm

magpie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 4:42pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:57pm:

magpie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Maybe those 400 ppl, instead of participating in what turned into a violent street protest, should have made their own film about Mohammed ?

Then we could have all had, and went to, a film critics convention.

And we could have all judged whether moslems can make relevant and informative films ?

the come-back.....

'Moslems are NOT allowed to make films about Mohammed.'

Well then, if moslems do not want to participate in the LAWFUL pluralistic culture of Australia [by creating art, art which others may want to LAWFULLY, and PEACEFULLY criticise], then moslems should maybe leave pluralistic Australia?

And maybe moslems should make their lives, in a in a place were such freedoms are not tolerated?

e.g.
Maybe moslems should choose to make their lives, within a moslem majority society?

But Australia is not one of those places. [.....in fact many moslems [here, in Australia] tell us that they have left those moslem majority societies, because those moslem majority societies are not safe to live in. BUT then, those same moslems want to impose that failed ISLAMIC system, and impose those violent and intolerant ISLAMIC cultural mores, upon Australian society.]

Moslems who wish to live here, in Australia, should accept OUR [lawful] pluralistic Australian society - or they should choose leave, if they do not want to tolerate our cultural mores.

jesus cristo, the troll is now data mining my posts!

your use of the concept 'pluralism' in this context is banal, Yadda.

Dictionary;
pluralism = =
1 a condition or system in which two or more states, groups, principles, etc., coexist. a political theory or system of power-sharing among a number of political parties.
2 a theory or system that recognizes more than one ultimate principle.

Why don't you explain your concept of pluralism [and tolerance] to us magpie.

*picks up cards, smiles. 'what a dick'..* I'll match your pluralism with context:

context refers to surrounding text or talk of an expression (word, sentence, conversational turn, speech act, etc.). The idea is that verbal context influences the way we understand the expression. Hence the norm not to cite issues out of context. Since much contemporary linguistics takes texts, discourses or conversations as its object of analysis, the modern study of verbal context takes place in terms of the analysis of discourse structures and their mutual relationships, for instance the coherence relation between sentences.

my rubber.

So your argument is that moslems don't want people to make films [.....unless they make films which praise ISLAM] ???

And it is banal when moslems threaten to cut off the heads of people who make films that they [moslems] do not approve of ?

Don't you think that that, is taking 'film criticism' just a little too far ?

Or is the context, that that form of 'film criticism' is perfectly acceptable within Sharia jurisdictions ?

p.s.
Living in Australia, why should i care about what moslems approve of ?

Further,.....
If a moslem threatens to murder me, i will take him at this word.

And why would my conclusion [that a moslem DOES intend to murder me], be so strange ???

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems stating, that they really are violently intolerant, of any world-view which does not coincide with their own world-view.

What moslems are want to communicate to the rest of us.....

"If you don't believe what i believe, and if you express it openly, I WILL CUT YOUR HEAD OFF!!!"

That is what that placard, is saying.

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Re: re 'Our prophet, our honour'
Reply #67 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 5:45pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 1:43pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Whoever is sightseeing and gets dragged along with a crowd. Prolly friends or family told her to go. She prolly would have known what the protest was for. Are you really having trouble with this concept?

By Spot.

You make her sound like a robot or a rag doll. Wake up!

You make her sound like a terrorist scumbag. Wake up!

SOB

I don't think she's a terrorist scumbag. I do think she's disrespectful and a kid mind polluting hater. I'd love to see her on the way back to Jordon with her hubby because I feel she'll be part of a future problem for australia. Wake up Spot you apologist!!

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Reply #68 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 5:52pm

Big Dave wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 5:41pm:

I bet they understand what the sign means.

In my experience, moslems only 'understand' what is pertinent to the moment.

Moslems are 'men for all seasons'.

i.e.
"Which way is the wind blowing today ?"

IMO, moslems will always wait for a 'favourable' wind, before they 'reveal' themselves.

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

bukhari/ #004.052.269

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Reply #69 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 6:50pm

magpie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 4:06pm:

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:50am:

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:24am:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 7:24am:

spot,

The mother is a recent arrival from Jordan, and said she didn't understand what it said. When it became a media issue, she went immediately to a police station and explained.

Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse.

We have enough people here with violent radical views already.

Deport her and that's the end of it.

What law?

SOB

She allowed here children to threaten to KILL its against the law to do that.

I personally felt threatened by the disgusting signs and feared for my life. I have been in mental anguish ever since I saw their appalling tirade.

Is anybody interested in bringing a class action against this family so that they may be deported?

PM me if you are willing to do so.

I have a copy of this Abu.

while you're sending all your messages, add this:

Under statute in most Australian jurisdictions, children under the age of 10 are held to be criminally incapable.

gawd, I wish you trolls would lift your game..

She gave the disgusting and murderous messages to her children.

She was not pressured in any way to do so.

She MUST be tried for attempting to kill people.

Gaud I wish you drongos would just stfu.

I fear for my life after reading the Muslim hate stuff.

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Reply #70 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 6:50pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 10:24am:

Hudson wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 9:37am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:52am:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:32am:

Yeah right. She knew exactly what it said. There were hundreds of people around her that could of told her. Who doesn't know what they are parading. She was worried about being deported or her child taken off her. So she musters up some tears and puts on a show for the do-gooders at family services. Hook , line and sinker.You're a good muslim Abu. You stand up for them. I'm on the other side. We've got a huge divide going down the middle of us. I've never heard of a aussie going to dinner at a muslims house or vice versa. I wonder what the future holds?

*could have told her*

Tell me if you were new to a country and found yourself in a protest and (hypothetically) you saw a sign on the ground - would you stop someone and ask them what it said? Seriously? By the sounds of it she did find out what it meant after she took the picture.

You dont know what other ppl will do. The fact that she went to the police with it is something telling also . . .

SOB

when you get your 911 you will understand there is only one way to deal with these Bin Laden rabble.

Obviously you cant do hypotheticals.

Ahh so basically you use 11/9 as an excuse for your judging whole bunches of ppl on airy fairy theories? I take it you are religious?

SOB

I was not always religious. but yes I am a Christian.
Though can't say I'm regular at the church. Sunday mornings can be tough after a night on the town. haha
As for the airy fairy stuff they showed us what they want to do to the free world, you see it on the TV all the time.
I am saying we cannot wait before we see more of there terrorist acts.
Whose side you on son?

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Reply #71 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 6:59pm

magpie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 4:06pm:

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:50am:

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:24am:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 7:24am:

spot,

The mother is a recent arrival from Jordan, and said she didn't understand what it said. When it became a media issue, she went immediately to a police station and explained.

Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse.

We have enough people here with violent radical views already.

Deport her and that's the end of it.

What law?

SOB

She allowed here children to threaten to KILL its against the law to do that.

I personally felt threatened by the disgusting signs and feared for my life. I have been in mental anguish ever since I saw their appalling tirade.

Is anybody interested in bringing a class action against this family so that they may be deported?

PM me if you are willing to do so.

I have a copy of this Abu.

while you're sending all your messages, add this:

Under statute in most Australian jurisdictions, children under the age of 10 are held to be criminally incapable.

gawd, I wish you trolls would lift your game..

you do not understand what these people are trying to show you.
Some people do not wake up before it is to late. Just read and get the idea before they come for you.

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Reply #72 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:45pm

Soren wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

Soren is currently on my no-fly list

A very Muslim metaphor.

magpie & spot showed us that you are superficial in that you quote John Stuart Mill without even reading him.
why should anyone care what an imposter thinks?
And, what do you mean, "A very Muslim metaphor."
If you are incapable of answering that, trim the request to "metaphor".
Be predictable and answer with a mined jpg.

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Reply #73 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 9:45pm

Hudson wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 6:59pm:

magpie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 4:06pm:

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:50am:

Adamant wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:24am:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 7:24am:

spot,

The mother is a recent arrival from Jordan, and said she didn't understand what it said. When it became a media issue, she went immediately to a police station and explained.

Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse.

We have enough people here with violent radical views already.

Deport her and that's the end of it.

What law?

SOB

She allowed here children to threaten to KILL its against the law to do that.

I personally felt threatened by the disgusting signs and feared for my life. I have been in mental anguish ever since I saw their appalling tirade.

Is anybody interested in bringing a class action against this family so that they may be deported?

PM me if you are willing to do so.

I have a copy of this Abu.

while you're sending all your messages, add this:

Under statute in most Australian jurisdictions, children under the age of 10 are held to be criminally incapable.

gawd, I wish you trolls would lift your game..

you do not understand what these people are trying to show you.
Some people do not wake up before it is to late. Just read and get the idea before they come for you.

Spot makes me think of a Jew on his way to the gas chambers telling everyone what a nice chap Hitler is and if they would just stop saying all these mean things about him then maybe he would show his true colours.

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Reply #74 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47pm

Quantum wrote on Sep 30^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 30^th, 2012 at 4:28am:

Quantum wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

Cobra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Interesting Abu, that you deleted Sorens post, but you did not delete gomtuu's post.

Yadda, my post is news and information which gives the true other side. You make claims against Muslims on lies. When you get the truth you don't listen. You should listen to the truth. I give you facts, you give nothing but emotion. You incite and inflame like Hitler did. please be ratinal and not tey to make trouble. Thank you for listening to me.

The moment you play the Hitler card in a debate, you lose the right to accuse others of being over emotional.

Says you

SOB

For someone who complains about being picked on, you sure love to paint a big target on yourself.

Quantum, when have I complained.
tell me or go away. There.

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