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Bertram Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 255	Re: I'm a moslem. And you are not. Reply #90 - Oct 8^th, 2012 at 9:26pm islam itself is not moderate. that's the point, i think.
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Reply #91 - Oct 8^th, 2012 at 10:01pm

Grey wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 6:07pm:

There's nneed to be rude SOB. My definition of religion was the one I found most satisfactory during University days. I say again, do you disagree? Why?

I used Nazis as analogous. Most members of the Nazi party joined up for the same reason most Russian communist party members joined up. To 'get ahead' in a world dominated by those gangs. I don't understand how you can find the simple concept I'm forwarding as argument so difficult to understand.

How was i rude?

Perhaps it was the way you tried to tell me what i think?

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No I don't. You have consistently told us that most Muslims are moderate; have you not? That is the issue that I'm addressing is it not?

Spot says a lot of things. That doesn't mean he has thought about it for more than a few seconds. Good luck trying to get a sensible answer out of him.

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Reply #92 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 6:32am:

Grey wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

The SOB argument: Most Nazis were moderate, therefore they shouldn't be criticised as a movement for running death camps.

Where have i ever said nazis were moderate? Its not even a religion.

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Right there. You said it. I did not. you put me offside before you even tried to make a point. Then you called me rude.

Meanwhile i say most muslims are moderate yes. Most muslims dont care what other ppl are. They tend to their own lives and affairs. They dont go out "evangelising" like other religions. The extremists are like extremists of any religion and use their religion as an excuse to commit whatever evil they want.

Since you want to godwin nazis into the conversation - thats exactly what hitler did. He was a self-confessed xtian and he used his religion as an excuse for his extremist atrocities. Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims? Nope. Its just a religion.

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Reply #93 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:38am

freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 10:01pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 6:07pm:

There's nneed to be rude SOB. My definition of religion was the one I found most satisfactory during University days. I say again, do you disagree? Why?

I used Nazis as analogous. Most members of the Nazi party joined up for the same reason most Russian communist party members joined up. To 'get ahead' in a world dominated by those gangs. I don't understand how you can find the simple concept I'm forwarding as argument so difficult to understand.

How was i rude?

Perhaps it was the way you tried to tell me what i think?

SOB

No I don't. You have consistently told us that most Muslims are moderate; have you not? That is the issue that I'm addressing is it not?

Spot says a lot of things. That doesn't mean he has thought about it for more than a few seconds. Good luck trying to get a sensible answer out of him.

How would you know?

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Reply #94 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

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i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

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Reply #95 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:35pm

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

Bertram,

Your error is that you are making an assumption, that SPOT can think, rationally.

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Reply #96 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:48pm

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

You dont have to join though. Try leaving the JWs or the mormons.

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Reply #97 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:49pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

Bertram,

Your error is that you are making an assumption, that SPOT can think, rationally.

Awww yadda trying his hand @ insults again. Give up you are no good @ it.

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Reply #98 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:52pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

You dont have to join though. Try leaving the JWs or the mormons.

SOB

You don't have to join Islam in Muslim nations?

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Reply #99 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

Bertram,

Your error is that you are making an assumption, that SPOT can think, rationally.

Awww yadda trying his hand @ insults again. Give up you are no good @ it.

SOB

Most every post you make, proves my point.

The fact that you cannot see it, is not an 'insult'.

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Reply #100 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:15pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

You dont have to join though. Try leaving the JWs or the mormons.

SOB

you were talking about moderate muslims, not about non-muslims converting to islam.

moderate muslims can't leave islam in muslim countries. so they are not free to express their views and so the comparison to national socialism is not arbitrary.

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Reply #101 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:18pm

Quantum wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

You dont have to join though. Try leaving the JWs or the mormons.

SOB

You don't have to join Islam in Muslim nations?

Not all. Maybe some theocracies but not in indonesia or malaysia . . . .i dont know if you actually have to anywhere though. There are even xtians in palestinian territory.

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Reply #102 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:19pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

Bertram,

Your error is that you are making an assumption, that SPOT can think, rationally.

Awww yadda trying his hand @ insults again. Give up you are no good @ it.

SOB

Most every post you make, proves my point.

The fact that you cannot see it, is not an 'insult'.

How exactly does trying to insult me prove that no muslims are moderate? All it does is show that you are not moderate.

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Reply #103 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:21pm

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

You dont have to join though. Try leaving the JWs or the mormons.

SOB

you were talking about moderate muslims, not about non-muslims converting to islam.

moderate muslims can't leave islam in muslim countries. so they are not free to express their views and so the comparison to national socialism is not arbitrary.

Sorry I dont get it. What does socialism have to do with anything?

Are you saying yadda moved the goalposts again? Yeah he does that all the time. Doesnt matter he is stuck on that slogan.

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Reply #104 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 4:17pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 3:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Bertram wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims?

SOB

i think yes, that is happening in muslim countries. you can't leave islam and declare yourself an atheist, for example, which is a pretty moderate and harmless thing, you of all people would think.

You dont have to join though. Try leaving the JWs or the mormons.

SOB

you were talking about moderate muslims, not about non-muslims converting to islam.

moderate muslims can't leave islam in muslim countries. so they are not free to express their views and so the comparison to national socialism is not arbitrary.

Sorry I dont get it. What does socialism have to do with anything?

you are joking? you seemed to know this morning.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 5:36am:

Since you want to godwin nazis into the conversation - thats exactly what hitler did. He was a self-confessed xtian and he used his religion as an excuse for his extremist atrocities. Everyone knows that the nazis in the german war werent all extremists. They had no choice. It was join up or be killed. They had to play along for the sake of their lives and families lives. Is that happening with muslims? Nope. Its just a religion.

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